Just say NO...... Do Not Work as a CFI

[seaav8tor]

In the past few options were available on the bottom of the aviation career ladder. The job of a CFI was one of the few. In many threads the benefits of being a CFI are pointed out and accurately detail the value of being a CFI. All true. Problem is few recognize the the de-value. They don't recognize it because it comes years later.

Many viable options used in other professions to protect wages, QOL, and safety issues could be used by pilots. But for several reasons none of them have been used nor will they be. The de facto proof is the steady unstoppable decline of the career since 1978.

As a CFI you clone yourself. You create your own competition. Pilots give other pilots check rides. Pilots have the means to control supply but they don't. If you create 100 pilots early in your career as a CFI, someday you will hear a manager state "Why should I give you a pay raise, I have 100 pilots that will take your job at your current rate of pay." Look in the mirror. You did it to yourself.

The most powerful thing you can do to raise the bar is not increase pilot supply. Before the first person jumps on his/her high horse and starts the "Got mine pulling up the ladder.... rant ", ponder this; What good is it to make all of the time and financial commitments into the career if by the time you get to the left seat no reward remains to be claimed?

You have options.....

You don't have to CFI.....

Let the barriers to entry rise.

It's the the most valuable card you hold.

You help not only yourself. You help the career. A true pilot shortage will raise pay attracting top talent to the career field. Top talent will reduce the chance of a Comair 5191, a Pinnacle 3701.

Raising the bar could save lives.

Just say No.

[Doug Taylor]

So don't be a check airman or a simulator instructor either.

Nice.

[DE727UPS]

Man, you come up with some crazy stuff Seaav8tor. Between you and Velo, must be something in the water at AS. I need to turn in my MVPG card.

[Hacker15e]

Very strange logic.

[athomeinthesky]

Probably better idea to create stronger unions, if airlines can't find trained Americans to do the job they'll start hiring Canadians, then Mexicans and so on. Next thing you know you have a few different groups of pilots from different countries with different views and having a strong union will be impossible.

[juxtapilot]

Originally Posted by Hacker15e

Very strange logic.

Yep.

[Kristie]

As a CFI you clone yourself. You create your own competition. Pilots give other pilots check rides. Pilots have the means to control supply but they don't. If you create 100 pilots early in your career as a CFI, someday you will hear a manager state "Why should I give you a pay raise, I have 100 pilots that will take your job at your current rate of pay." Look in the mirror. You did it to yourself.

uhhh yea...can i have some of what you're smokin'?

there will always be competition and people below you and above you trying to get to the top. not CFIing won't stop that...

[falconvalley]

Eh...I don't teach, but I can. I'm card-carrying member. I may not be the sharpest instrument, but having gone through the process and having a couple hundred of dual given under belt...it gives me what I think is a better perspective on things...

Not that going without a CFI is really a BAD thing, but it sure helps to have one. No one has to get a CFI to make it, but get real. We all can give something back to the profession. Some of us like to have it this way.

[Chewie von Nubbins]

Originally Posted by Kristie

uhhh yea...can i have some of what you're smokin'?

there will always be competition and people below you and above you trying to get to the top. not CFIing won't stop that...

This is gotta be what this guy is on:

[flywithUS]

Umm just wondering, since I have to put up with rush hour traffic everyday, is it ok if we stop teaching people how to drive so I can have the highway to myself? Heck, it would knock out all the stupid drivers too!

[mikecweb]

Originally Posted by seaav8tor

You help not only yourself. You help the career. A true pilot shortage will raise pay attracting top talent to the career field. Top talent will reduce the chance of a Comair 5191, a Pinnacle 3701.

Raising the bar could save lives.

Just say No.

Wow.
Classy.
Inaccurate.
Spintastic.

Karma is a mother.

[Maximillian_Jenius]

10 pages by the time I get home tomorrow night at 6:30!

[beechpilot84]

So the bar will be raised right? Airlines will only hire top pilots with a lot of hours right?

So how are you supposed to get all that experience and become one of these top pilots if you don't CFI? Oh wait...you must mean a top pilot with 1000 hrs of banner towing experince in a 172!

[SIUav8er]

Originally Posted by seaav8tor

You help not only yourself. You help the career. A true pilot shortage will raise pay attracting top talent to the career field. Top talent will reduce the chance of a Comair 5191, a Pinnacle 3701.

Raising the bar could save lives.

Just say No.

ummm, yeah. If theres no CFIs around to instruct, where does this new breed of "top talent" come from?

I think this guy is troll. This topic is so off the wall, it cant be serious!

[tonyw]

Originally Posted by seaav8tor

op talent will reduce the chance of a Comair 5191, a Pinnacle 3701.

Would you consider a guy who was KLM's poster boy, the guy they used in all their ads to be top talent?

Yeah?

Well, he's also the guy who started his takeoff roll in Tenerife while another 747 was back taxiing, causing the worst disaster in aviation history.

Besides, how do you determine "top talent?" Is there a pilot combine like there is for the NFL?

[B767]

Originally Posted by beechpilot84

Oh wait...you must mean a top pilot with 1000 hrs of banner towing experince in a 172!

That won't help you get on with ASA though

[Screaming_Emu]

hooray crazy people!

[eta71]

hey hitler didnt like a myriad of types of peoples...

mmmm fat tire 1554 and random replies on JC

[moxiepilot]

Originally Posted by Screaming_Emu

hooray crazy people!

no emu...


Baaaaaad crazy people.

Hoooraaaay BEER!

[moxiepilot]

Oh yeah, seaavi8tor:

What the heck are you smokin? Seriously dude, gather the marbles and put them back in, if you can make an intelligent argument then I might debate this

[eta71]

Originally Posted by moxiepilot

no emu...
Baaaaaad crazy people.

Hoooraaaay BEER!

no mmmmmm beeeer per mr. homer simpson

[flyover]

Originally Posted by seaav8tor

A true pilot shortage will raise pay attracting top talent to the career field.

Where they will be stopped because, there are no flight instructors.

[JEP]

Originally Posted by seaav8tor

In the past few options were available on the bottom of the aviation career ladder. The job of a CFI was one of the few. In many threads the benefits of being a CFI are pointed out and accurately detail the value of being a CFI. All true. Problem is few recognize the the de-value. They don't recognize it because it comes years later.

Many viable options used in other professions to protect wages, QOL, and safety issues could be used by pilots. But for several reasons none of them have been used nor will they be. The de facto proof is the steady unstoppable decline of the career since 1978.

As a CFI you clone yourself. You create your own competition. Pilots give other pilots check rides. Pilots have the means to control supply but they don't. If you create 100 pilots early in your career as a CFI, someday you will hear a manager state "Why should I give you a pay raise, I have 100 pilots that will take your job at your current rate of pay." Look in the mirror. You did it to yourself.

The most powerful thing you can do to raise the bar is not increase pilot supply. Before the first person jumps on his/her high horse and starts the "Got mine pulling up the ladder.... rant ", ponder this; What good is it to make all of the time and financial commitments into the career if by the time you get to the left seat no reward remains to be claimed?

You have options.....

You don't have to CFI.....

Let the barriers to entry rise.

It's the the most valuable card you hold.

You help not only yourself. You help the career. A true pilot shortage will raise pay attracting top talent to the career field. Top talent will reduce the chance of a Comair 5191, a Pinnacle 3701.

Raising the bar could save lives.

Just say No.

But according to your master plan, that top talent will never really existed because there were no CFI's to teach them.

[flhrci]

I don't think this "advice" is correct. I have been searching for a non-CFI job for two months since getting my Commercial certs with no luck. I figured out a month ago, that getting my CFI is the way to go.

The few "I might have something in January" and the "you need more total time and a jet bridge course" replies don't get you food and a place to live.

If you are under 400 hours like I am, there isn't much you can get, this time of year especially.

So, I am not going to get spun up over this thread. I will be getting a job at a gas station, grocery store or FBO hopefully, until I can get my CFI and work my way up. It's hard to admit that at my age, but if it is what I have do, I have to do it.

David

[esa17]

This is probably the most interesting thing I've read on this site to date. I've seen the error in my ways so where can I get one of those neato foil hats? Can I get mine with scrambled eggs on it?