Just say NO...... Do Not Work as a CFI

[Murdoughnut]

How about we compromise and just say don't teach foreign pilots - at least that will reduce the pool of pilots who can work on 3rd world wages.

[MQAAord]

I smell a troll. The guy drops a dung-bomb like this and then sits back and watches the responses......

Thanks for keeping the responses civil, guys! Y'all make me proud *sniff*

[OldTownPilot]

OK, you sir are full of ####.

In this day in age "top talent" is matured by being a CFI and teaching, instead of plunking down 10 large for a "jet course". Our flight school has one, uno, 1 student that intends to go beyond private instrument as a career changer. 95% of our students have no intention of increasing the pilot supply.

[JEP]

Originally Posted by Murdoughnut

How about we compromise and just say don't teach foreign pilots - at least that will reduce the pool of pilots who can work on 3rd world wages.

But how many of those foreign pilots are working in the U.S.? I doubt that eliminating them would do anything more than put some CFI's out of work.

[jrh]

Holy cow.

I tried to think of how to rebutt SEA's proposal, and my head exploded. I can't figure out where to start.

So I guess I won't.

I need to go to work--at my job as a CFI.

Have a nice day everyone!

[athomeinthesky]

Originally Posted by JEP

But how many of those foreign pilots are working in the U.S.? I doubt that eliminating them would do anything more than put some CFI's out of work.

You need green card or citizenship to work for an American airline. If what seaav8tor wanted happened and there was nobody to train American pilots the airlines would be forced(right word?? or maybe use the opportunity) to hire foreign pilots.

[Murdoughnut]

Originally Posted by JEP

But how many of those foreign pilots are working in the U.S.? I doubt that eliminating them would do anything more than put some CFI's out of work.

Yeah, but we're still all in the same fish tank - higher demand for American pilots from foreign carriers only serves to increase pay and QOL back in the US of A as American carriers have to stay competitive or risk losing pilots to companies such as Emirates.

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by JEP

But according to your master plan, that top talent will never really existed because there were no CFI's to teach them.

Top talent's already been trained, Homer... Me!

(I'm kidding, I'm kidding!)

[Firebird2XC]

Originally Posted by MQAAord

I smell a troll. The guy drops a dung-bomb like this and then sits back and watches the responses......

Thanks for keeping the responses civil, guys! Y'all make me proud *sniff*

Funny you called it a dung-bomb after what Chewie suggested this guy must be on. Intentional pun?

[P&H]

Or, or, we could all go to the Michelin tire plant and mess with their tire mix, and then they will have to raise tire prices and airplanes use tires, so that would mean that prices would have to like go up a LOT because airplanes need tires and sh *t so then that would deter a lot of students from signing up for lessons in the first place, thus reducing the size of the pilot pool.

That doesn't make any sense either?

[Gumps]

Me thinks our friend here means well but typed before thinking all of the way through. Lets give him/her a break. Is there a way to improve pay, and QOL? Blaming it all on "The Man" will get us all no where. Airlines exist to make money for their owners, not to make pilots happy. This person is correct in one regard, taking responsibility and working together is the only way to leverage matters to our liking.

What initiatives would work? Could the unions refuse to accept applications? Electricians for example apply for a union card, then go job hunting. The airlines would then be in competition for the better pilots. This would basically be the whole National Seniority Number debate from a slightly different angle.

(CFI route = Good.)

[toddnorrish]

Wow!! Pretty selfish line of reasoning in my book. How about you quit flying and find a job that pays you what you think your worth. In the next five years there will be a shortage of 35,000 pilots in the US and Asian markets alone. How do you purpose filling that void? You can't really mean what you wrote, or you certainly didn't put enough thought into this line of reasoning. Come on man.

[bike21]

Originally Posted by eta71

hey hitler didnt like a myriad of types of peoples...

mmmm fat tire 1554 and random replies on JC

I won't waste my time with a rebuttal, but I will say...

That is one fine beer amigo!

[mastermags]

Aren't you the one that is always on the MPL rant? This seems like it would be a huge step in the wrong direction to me.

[frog_flyer]

Hey look, It's seeeav8or's first post without linking aircon.org

CONGRATS BUBBA!

[ChrisH]

Or, better yet, become a CFI, and EDUCATE your students. Find out what their motives are behind wanting to get their license. Are they going after a career in flying, or just looking to be a weekend warrior. If the former is the case, educate them, so that when they get into the airline industry, they can be one more person eager, and ready to fight, to take it back. There are other valuable lessons that a CFI can teach their students, depending on that students goals, other than just flying the airplane.

If it weren't for this site, I would not be educated on the issues. I wouldn't be ready to get into this industry, and fight. If it weren't for my being educated by this site, I wouldn't know who GoJets is, etc. Unfortunately not a lot of people will take the time to research that kind of info., and find sites like this. I think a CFI has a perfect opportunity to reach and educate students, so that they are aware of the issues, and ready to fight.

[Kristie]

Originally Posted by Gumps

Me thinks our friend here means well but typed before thinking all of the way through. Lets give him/her a break.

sure! if he comes back on and gets into the thick of it, thereby actually working on the thread.... then sure, i'll give him a break. but if he doesn't, then i'm with everyone else... smelling a bad flametastic thread and on a personal note, i'm not cool with that.

I'm just glad everyone's been quite civil so far...but honestly, i'd like to understand where he came up with this logic and if he sees the error/loop holes that shows how having no CFI's would never work.

[777forever]

Speechless...

[moxiepilot]

[quote=MQAAord;766431]Thanks for keeping the responses civil, guys! [quote]

Originally Posted by OldTownPilot

OK, you sir are full of ####.

I <3 Jetcareers

[Gumps]

"sure! if he comes back on and gets into the thick of it, thereby actually working on the thread.... then sure, i'll give him a break."-Kristie

Yeah, where is this guy? I just hate to see somebody get hammered right outta the gates when they might be trying to do some good. (However short sighted they may be.) No proposal will ever be polished at the early stages, it must be honed. If ideas are not explored there will be no progress, we must keep an open mind.
So Seaav8r, where would you take your plan now? How would you adjust your plan to meet an end that would improve the industry?

[Kristie]

well, he's been in the forum since he posted this thread... i figure if he doesn't post something by tonight, we'll close it so it doesn't *become* a continual flame threat.

Like you Gumps, i don't mind hearing his version of what he's thinking....i just don't like the idea of someone posting something like this (esp a fairly new user) and then just letting it run, seeing what kind of responses he can get...it's still doug's living room he's threatening to piss on.

and if he's not, then it would be better for him to speak up and either state his ideas or state that he thought he knew what he was talking about but didn't think it thru or just whatever.

[slpilot]

OH NO, all the people im training are going to take my job someday, I better quit teaching tomarrow before the next prodigy comes alone, and takes that airline job...god

[KC Jake]

[quote=moxiepilot;766696][quote=MQAAord;766431]Thanks for keeping the responses civil, guys!

I <3 Jetcareers

I saw that too. I thought it was quite funny.

[MQAAord]

Yeah, well. It's just like my kids. As soon as I compliment their behavior, BOOM out comes the sassyness.......

[WAFlyBoy]

Originally Posted by athomeinthesky

You need green card or citizenship to work for an American airline. If what seaav8tor wanted happened and there was nobody to train American pilots the airlines would be forced(right word?? or maybe use the opportunity) to hire foreign pilots.

Well, United has already outsourced some call center work to India. (Anybody every tried to list non-rev with a real person? Using the automated system is easier, and that is a sad fact.) It's only a matter of time for flight crews. Although I suppose the FAs will be the first to go. I think pilot jobs will be safe until the FAA starts "outsourcing" ATC.