Pilot error rate ‘significantly declined’

[Sprint100]

Could this drop be attributed to technolgy and/or training that was unavailable before.
Pilot error rate ‘significantly declined’

Accident rate remains stable, but pilots’ mistakes dropped 40 percent

Pilot error is probably much less of a factor in mishaps involving U.S. airliners now than it was in the early 1980s, a new study suggests.
The study, by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, discovered that the number of U.S. airline accidents due to pilot error "significantly declined" between 1983 and 2002.
Although the overall rate of U.S. airline accidents remained stable throughout the period, the proportion of mishaps involving pilot error decreased 40 percent, they found.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22452005/

[TheOneMarine]

Originally Posted by Sprint100

Could this drop be attributed to technolgy and/or training that was unavailable before.
Pilot error rate ‘significantly declined’

Accident rate remains stable, but pilots’ mistakes dropped 40 percent

Pilot error is probably much less of a factor in mishaps involving U.S. airliners now than it was in the early 1980s, a new study suggests.
The study, by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, discovered that the number of U.S. airline accidents due to pilot error "significantly declined" between 1983 and 2002.
Although the overall rate of U.S. airline accidents remained stable throughout the period, the proportion of mishaps involving pilot error decreased 40 percent, they found.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22452005/

This can't be, not with all the 500 hour wonders out there! It's only a matter of time before the rate goes back up 3000%! It has to for the sake of the industry!

[killbilly]

Interesting piece. I'd be curious to see the same research criteria applied to the GA sector as well.

[Airdale]

If you can send a text message while driving down the highway, you can fly today's airplanes.

A Captain said this to me yesterday - " The Operator commands the dog to work. The dog does the work. The Dog bites the operator when he issues the wrong command, yet the operator feeds the dog." I probably botched that up, but something like that.

[jynxyjoe]

Originally Posted by TheOneMarine

This can't be, not with all the 500 hour wonders out there! It's only a matter of time before the rate goes back up 3000%! It has to for the sake of the industry!

really? were there a lot of 500 hour wonders being hired from 1983 to 2002 which was the timespan of this study?

read the article man.

[Captain_Bob]

Originally Posted by jynxyjoe

really? were there a lot of 500 hour wonders being hired from 1983 to 2002 which was the timespan of this study?

Actually... more than you might think...

[TheOneMarine]

Originally Posted by Captain_Bob

Actually... more than you might think...

Thanks Bob

[jynxyjoe]

Originally Posted by TheOneMarine

Thanks Bob

yeah thanks Bob.

since no one here knows how many i was thinking except for you and me, and obviously the one marine here, why don't you fill them in on the number of 500 hour pilots were hired from from 1983 to 2002.

[C150J]

Originally Posted by Airdale

If you can send a text message while driving down the highway, you can fly today's airplanes.

Pilots tremendously underestimate themselves, and quotes like this give non-aviators the wrong idea about our jobs. Yes, it's not that hard to FLY ANY airplane when you do it day in and day out and have a good foundation of knowledge. Give the same task to a non-pilot and they'd probably eventually go through the motions, but I highly doubt their decision making is anything like that of someone who's been there and done that.

Most jobs are "easy" when you're a professional. Writing an application for a arrest warrant is "easy" if you're on a fugitive task force while others may struggle. Conducting out-patient surgery is "easy" when it's your forte. I'm not saying this is rocket science, but give yourself a little credit!

[flyover]

Originally Posted by Airdale

If you can send a text message while driving down the highway, you can fly today's airplanes.

That's just one of many factors that have made this industry much safer.

These stats are not surprising at all to me. I've seen the changes since the 70s and everything is better. Especially the training and the procedures. Today's low-time wonders are much better than yesterday's were.

[Doug Taylor]

I still have to dig through this:

http://www.nasa.gov/news/reports/NAOMS.html

[Airdale]

Originally Posted by C150J

Pilots tremendously underestimate themselves, and quotes like this give non-aviators the wrong idea about our jobs.......I'm not saying this is rocket science, but give yourself a little credit!

Well, thank you for giving some credit!


My point was that as technology increases, so does the margin of safety. For example, I've rode JS on a few of today's newer jets lately. A lot of the stuff was foreign to me (being a prop driver), but operating the aircraft just seemed safer. The workload was less, situational awareness thanks to the new technology was greatly enhanced. Being able to visually SEE what is going on with each and every system, to have at your fingertips page after page of information from navigation to aircraft troubleshooting is tremendously beneficial to safety.

Now I am in no means saying that us TP drivers are any less safe. The Beech 1900 is a great airplane in the sense that its forgiving. But I feel that in the 1900 if we as a crew are lazy, tired or fatiqued, the airplane will bite you. With the "newer" technology, you have a few things that just might save your ass when you need it most. Still no excuse for flying fatigued, but lets face it, at a Non Union carrier, you're job is at risk for making that phone call.

[TheOneMarine]

Originally Posted by jynxyjoe

yeah thanks Bob.

since no one here knows how many i was thinking except for you and me, and obviously the one marine here, why don't you fill them in on the number of 500 hour pilots were hired from from 1983 to 2002.

Nice to see a fellow JC'er off to such a wonderful new year. May it bring you the joy you lack.

On a serious note, can a serious person tell me where I would be able to find stats on regional pilots average hours throughout the 90's?

[flyover]

And this just in:

Last year one of the safest to fly in decades



http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...rpc=22&sp=true

[jynxyjoe]

Originally Posted by TheOneMarine

Nice to see a fellow JC'er off to such a wonderful new year. May it bring you the joy you lack.

On a serious note, can a serious person tell me where I would be able to find stats on regional pilots average hours throughout the 90's?

what? may it bring the joy i lack. ya know what would help with that? u getting off the cross.

if you were refering to the 500 hour "wonders" of 1983 to 2002 then say so. was it?

[777forever]

How bout instead of knocking each other about the low time vs. high time usual banter, we think up creative ways for us the pilot group as a whole to get more money and better QOL. If you talkin bout money homie now ya talkin...

[jynxyjoe]

lol. i guess man. just seems stupid to me i point out the study has nothing to with safety in regards to low time guys getting hired after 2002 and i get ridiculed with crypic answers which mean nothing and jeering backhanded replies to logic.

someone talk about pay

[Sprint100]

Originally Posted by 777forever

How bout instead of knocking each other about the low time vs. high time usual banter, we think up creative ways for us the pilot group as a whole to get more money and better QOL. If you talkin bout money homie now ya talkin...

Straight Cash Homie LOL, Randy Moss reference.
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fusea...deoid=10121200

[mastermags]

Originally Posted by 777forever

How bout instead of knocking each other about the low time vs. high time usual banter, we think up creative ways for us the pilot group as a whole to get more money and better QOL. If you talkin bout money homie now ya talkin...

How about voting in unions to start with .

[jynxyjoe]

Originally Posted by mastermags

How about voting in unions to start with .

lol

[TheOneMarine]

Moving on from all that, why do unions end up voted down? You hear it a lot that a pilot group turns it down. Is it due to fear of the company or something else?

[SmitteyB]

Originally Posted by jynxyjoe

yeah thanks Bob.

since no one here knows how many i was thinking except for you and me, and obviously the one marine here, why don't you fill them in on the number of 500 hour pilots were hired from from 1983 to 2002.

Leave it to you to jump on the most respected member here at JetCareers.

Seriously what is your problem? The way you act, I'm surprised your a captain.