How to log flight time for Regionals

[Pietrantonio]

I'm curious because I really don't know how you log flight time for Regionals. If you're a FO, is it not PIC, or is it PIC if you fly your legs only, how does this work?

[mastermags]

YOu are SIC and should log the time as SIC.

[Nick]

If you're the FO, it is SIC.

I log each leg individually. Some people do one entry for a day of flying, or a new entry each plane change.

[UND_Flyer]

I log per tail number. In the remarks I just put the flight number. For example...

12/30....CL-65.....N814CA.....CVG-CHS-LGA....Flt. 5555, 5454
12/30....CL-65.....N529CA.....LGA-JAX...........Flt. 5000

Also, when you're PF you log of course landings, actual, approaches, etc.

[Ophir]

I download my schedule into Logbook pro and then add all the pertinent info.

[av8sean]

Silly question... but doesn't the company keep track of your flight time? When you eventually go interview at a major, are they really going to care that you had XXX number of approaches, XXX number of nightime landings, etc?

[Lee D]

Originally Posted by av8sean

Silly question... but doesn't the company keep track of your flight time? When you eventually go interview at a major, are they really going to care that you had XXX number of approaches, XXX number of nightime landings, etc?

Yes the company keeps track of your flight time, but just the raw total. If you plan on upgrading or moving beyond the regionals then log your actual, night time, approved SIM time, approaches, SIC & PIC time, turbo prop vs. jet etc, etc. I have seen some legacy apps that do ask how many approaches you have done in the last six months and last year. They also ask about how much night & cross country you have. I don't know if all of that is critical, however it is on some applications.

[Lee D]

Originally Posted by Ophir

I download my schedule into Logbook pro and then add all the pertinent info.

I soooo need to get that.

[bLizZuE]

What if you're a current CFI, and you're PIC rated, could you technically log dual given? Then log all the actual and approaches even as the PM?

[Cptnchia]

Originally Posted by bLizZuE

What if you're a current CFI, and you're PIC rated, could you technically log dual given? Then log all the actual and approaches even as the PM?

You mean as the FO with a type and a CFI? Who are you giving dual to, the captain? Unless you are signing the dispatch release and the company considers you the captain, all the time counts as SIC and you can only log your landings and approaches. You can log actual intstument time though, even as the PM.

[mtsu_av8er]

Originally Posted by bLizZuE

What if you're a current CFI, and you're PIC rated, could you technically log dual given? Then log all the actual and approaches even as the PM?

Not even . . .

[ClearedToThe]

Could a fo LOG (not act) pic time for all the legs he flew using the "can log pic time as sole manipulator of the controls..." reg in FARs?

[mastermags]

you people are silly.

[Nick]

Originally Posted by ClearedToThe

Could a fo LOG (not act) pic time for all the legs he flew using the "can log pic time as sole manipulator of the controls..." reg in FARs?

No.

The captain is PIC

The FO is SIC

.

[Pietrantonio]

I've got a much better understanding now. Thank you for your help everyone.

[JEP]

Originally Posted by Nick

No.

The captain is PIC

The FO is SIC

.

...Now with a slightly different spin....

On Doug's many flights across the water, the CA (PIC) will go to take his rest and Doug and the other pilots will switch over to the left seat.

When one has the type and the CA is not in the cockpit (rest period), is that person allowed to log PIC? I am guessing No, but wondered with the CA not being in the cockpit, maybe it was different.

[SRA_kbad]

Originally Posted by Cptnchia

You mean as the FO with a type and a CFI? Who are you giving dual to, the captain? Unless you are signing the dispatch release and the company considers you the captain, all the time counts as SIC and you can only log your landings and approaches. You can log actual intstument time though, even as the PM.

No, I don't believe you can. Only as PF

[mojo6911]

Originally Posted by ClearedToThe

Could a fo LOG (not act) pic time for all the legs he flew using the "can log pic time as sole manipulator of the controls..." reg in FARs?

That is part 91. Regionals are part 121.

[minitour]

Originally Posted by ClearedToThe

Could a fo LOG (not act) pic time for all the legs he flew using the "can log pic time as sole manipulator of the controls..." reg in FARs?

If you are typed if necessary (PIC Typed), yes.

Originally Posted by Nick

No.

The captain is PIC

The FO is SIC

.

While that may be true, you can still log the time as PIC time if you are PIC typed (if the type is required). Legal? Yes. Smart? I'll let you all decide. I wouldn't do it, FWIW. Just remember the difference between acting and logging.

Originally Posted by mojo6911

That is part 91. Regionals are part 121.

That's irrelevant. 61.51 covers Pilot Logbooks, not "part 121 or 135 flight time." The regulation covers pilot logbooks period, not the type of operation being flown.

-mini

[NC_BE300]

Originally Posted by SRA_kbad

No, I don't believe you can. Only as PF

When I finished IOE the checkairmen explained it to me as so:

As the FO:
You log SIC and Total time for every leg - no matter if your flying or not, Night & Cross country time (if applicable).

When its YOUR leg - you can log the takeoff & landing, the instrument time, & the instrument approach - in addition to those above.

[mastermags]

If you are at an airline, and you are still trying to figure out ways to manipulate your logbook to get PIC time as an FO, despite people telling you repeatedly NOT to log it as PIC, you obviously JUST DON"T GET IT.

And I doubt Doug cares if he gets PIC time at this point... a PIC paycheck is all that matters.

[Pietrantonio]

Originally Posted by mastermags

If you are at an airline, and you are still trying to figure out ways to manipulate your logbook to get PIC time as an FO, despite people telling you repeatedly NOT to log it as PIC, you obviously JUST DON"T GET IT.

And I doubt Doug cares if he gets PIC time at this point... a PIC paycheck is all that matters.

I agree with you completely here mastermags. Why would anyone want to manipulate their logbook with false entries? To upgrade faster, make their resume more presentable? Well I'm sure that at some point a company is going to assume you know what you claim, and when you dont, well, that's just plain idiotic to falsify a logbook...in my opinion.

[MFT1Air]

Originally Posted by mastermags

If you are at an airline, and you are still trying to figure out ways to manipulate your logbook to get PIC time as an FO, despite people telling you repeatedly NOT to log it as PIC, you obviously JUST DON"T GET IT.

And I doubt Doug cares if he gets PIC time at this point... a PIC paycheck is all that matters.

. . .then explain this please. I do understand the SIC wishing to have but not receiving PIC time in the cockpit. Makes sense. Here's the other hypothetical I thought might be possible.

Is there, perhaps due to scheduling conflicts involving wx/mx delays or conflicts, that possibility two PIC rated pilots are in the front together? How do you handle the hours in the that situation? Would a PIC who has to right seat be concerned with an SIC in his logbook that one of-nominal situation?

What about aircraft relocation issues which no longer becomes Part 121? If both are PIC rated individuals? Your perspective, please?

[minitour]

Originally Posted by MFT1Air

. . .then explain this please. I do understand the SIC wishing to have but not receiving PIC time in the cockpit. Makes sense. Here's the other hypothetical I thought might be possible.

Is there, perhaps due to scheduling conflicts involving wx/mx delays or conflicts, that possibility two PIC rated pilots are in the front together? How do you handle the hours in the that situation? Would a PIC who has to right seat be concerned with an SIC in his logbook that one of-nominal situation?

What about aircraft relocation issues which no longer becomes Part 121? If both are PIC rated individuals? Your perspective, please?

Well, legally speaking, the 2nd PIC can log PIC time when he's the manipulator...but I personally don't recommend it. The company will assign one pilot as the PIC for that leg/flight and that person is the final authority for that flight.

While it's legal, it looks fishy (in the case of the typed FO logging PIC) in future interviews. I'd assume a typed, captain qualified pilot logging PIC time wouldn't necessarily look as fishy...that could be wrong. Anyway, where was I? Oh yeah. There's nothing false about it, it's all outlined in 61.51 but that doesn't mean that certain companies won't think you're just cheating the system.

This is another "what's legal isn't necessarily smart and what's smart isn't necessarily legal" thing.

Also, I agree with the above statements though...if you're trying to manipulate your time at this point to get PIC, you need to step back and see the bigger picture. While it is legal, it may not be smart.

-mini

[BobDDuck]

It's a whole lot simpler then ya'll are making it sound. If YOU sign the release then you log PIC. If you do NOT sign the release, but still are a "required crewmember (actually flying and not sitting sideways) then you log SIC.

That's why when a FO upgrades to Captain, they don't actually log any PIC until after IOE because the checkairmen is still signing the release (even though they are sitting in the right seat).