ASA website...

[GlideSlope]

Hey, just under their req's they say "Hours acquired in banner towing, traffic watch or aerial photography are not the best way to build flight time ". With that being said, will they honor your flight time if you do come from one of those backgrounds?

[psalm91]

Originally Posted by GlideSlope

Hey, just under their req's they say "Hours acquired in banner towing, traffic watch or aerial photography are not the best way to build flight time ". With that being said, will they honor your flight time if you do come from one of those backgrounds?

Of course they will...flight time is flight time. HOWEVER, if you have 17,000 hours of VFR banner towing doing slow flight at 45 knots and doing turns around a point, it's going to be hard to convince someone like ASA that you are able to fly a regional jet in instrument conditions down to minimums where things are happening fast, and there's little to no margin for error (i.e. course/glideslope deviations, missing call outs, etc.). What they want is someone who has rock-SOLID instrument skills, because if your instrument skills are not rock solid (meaning you use them often), there's no way you are going to get through training; 121 training is no place to work out deficiencies in instrument flying. Failing a 121 checkride is very serious (5 year mark on your record) so they want someone in there who they believe is going to pass. So if you have a job flying VFR all the time, just make sure you have some way to stay super sharp on your instruments...a CFII would be a great example of that.

Hope that helps.

[Screaming_Emu]

I'm guessing they'll honor it but if it comes down to two people, one who instructed and one who did that other stuff, they'll pick the CFI. Mins have dropped so low that your question has basically become moot anyway.

[Snuggle]

It seems they have a thing for ''glass cockpit'' time. I had recently thought about leaving Colgan and decided to apply with ASA. When they called me they weren't all excited about my 121 experience or turbine experience in a beech 1900. They said they wish I had some glass time and they would have scheduled me for an interview. Instead they said they would send me a detailed application for me to fill out and we would go from there. Either way, I never filled the thing out. So I guess if you have a couple of hours of glass time it will make them happy.


Edit: In other news it looks like I am now a ''Senior Member". I guess I'm getting old.

[surreal1221]

This topic has actually been beat to death in one of the many ASA threads.

But at least the OP has already received an appropriate answer.

And yes, ASA has a hard on for glass time. Snuggle, when you spoke to HR, did they attempt to refer you to an RJ transition course? (Serious question . . . just trying to see if HR is floating that nasty nugget to 121 experienced guys as well, since you're lacking glass time).

[H46Bubba]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

This topic has actually been beat to death in one of the many ASA threads.

But at least the OP has already received an appropriate answer.

And yes, ASA has a hard on for glass time. Snuggle, when you spoke to HR, did they attempt to refer you to an RJ transition course? (Serious question . . . just trying to see if HR is floating that nasty nugget to 121 experienced guys as well, since you're lacking glass time).

I've had two buddy's who recently applied(both had over 1,000 TT and 100 Multi) and HR was really pushing hard for them to get RJ transition courses. They declined and took offers from Republic and Skywest.

[Snuggle]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

And yes, ASA has a hard on for glass time. Snuggle, when you spoke to HR, did they attempt to refer you to an RJ transition course? (Serious question . . . just trying to see if HR is floating that nasty nugget to 121 experienced guys as well, since you're lacking glass time).

nope, and I'm glad I never filled out that app. I wouldn't want to work for a company that makes it's pilots pay for training just do it all over again. I had my eye on their ATR's when I applied anyway!

[Screaming_Emu]

Originally Posted by Snuggle

It seems they have a thing for ''glass cockpit'' time. I had recently thought about leaving Colgan and decided to apply with ASA. When they called me they weren't all excited about my 121 experience or turbine experience in a beech 1900. They said they wish I had some glass time and they would have scheduled me for an interview. Instead they said they would send me a detailed application for me to fill out and we would go from there. Either way, I never filled the thing out. So I guess if you have a couple of hours of glass time it will make them happy.


Edit: In other news it looks like I am now a ''Senior Member". I guess I'm getting old.

wow...that's re god damn diculous

[pilotman]

Originally Posted by Snuggle

It seems they have a thing for ''glass cockpit'' time. I had recently thought about leaving Colgan and decided to apply with ASA. When they called me they weren't all excited about my 121 experience or turbine experience in a beech 1900. They said they wish I had some glass time and they would have scheduled me for an interview. Instead they said they would send me a detailed application for me to fill out and we would go from there. Either way, I never filled the thing out. So I guess if you have a couple of hours of glass time it will make them happy.


Edit: In other news it looks like I am now a ''Senior Member". I guess I'm getting old.

If you had to start all over and had a choice between ASA and Colgan, which would you choose?

[P&H]

They are hard up for glass time because the interview ride is in a CRJ-700 and they lose 1/2 to 2/3 of the interviewees to it. Someone who has never seen speed and altitude tape could have a problem.

They will probably be satisfied with a few hours in a G1000 172 or something of the sort.

[Gonzo]

They called me and want me to get my MEI before they will offer me an interview.

[Snuggle]

Originally Posted by pilotman

If you had to start all over and had a choice between ASA and Colgan, which would you choose?

Interesting question. Can't really answer it as I don't know. All I know is that I'm happy to be here now and can only hope for the best. I have no regrets coming here. I guess time will tell, but it's pretty hard to forecast anything in this industry. Whatever the outcome, I'm having fun now and just enjoying life. The experience I'm getting flying the 1900 in the NE is one of a kind. Wouldn't trade it for anything.

[Screaming_Emu]

Originally Posted by P&H

They are hard up for glass time because the interview ride is in a CRJ-700 and they lose 1/2 to 2/3 of the interviewees to it. Someone who has never seen speed and altitude tape could have a problem.

They will probably be satisfied with a few hours in a G1000 172 or something of the sort.

I do think it is pretty unrealistic to expect someone with zero transport category aircraft time to come in and fly that. Seems like a huge waste of money to me. The guys I had did a great job at briefing us beforehand, but really, I think there are better ways to check to ensure someone has sound instrument skills.

[Fly4Pay]

Originally Posted by P&H

They are hard up for glass time because the interview ride is in a CRJ-700 and they lose 1/2 to 2/3 of the interviewees to it. Someone who has never seen speed and altitude tape could have a problem.

They will probably be satisfied with a few hours in a G1000 172 or something of the sort.

Aw, heck... just fly MS Flight Sim for a couple hours and you'll be good to go!

[surreal1221]

Man, the comments. . .

Too many to reply to.

Gonzo, lol - how hypocritical. ASA wanting MEI's, but they are willing to take the silly guys who pay money for an RJ course.

I'm confused by this airline everyday.

[Screaming_Emu]

Originally Posted by Fly4Pay

Aw, heck... just fly MS Flight Sim for a couple hours and you'll be good to go!

Yeah, glass panels are pretty intuitive (kinda the point). I really think the only hard part for somebody transitioning to a jet for the first time is how sensitive the pitch is and that you're going a lot faster than you're used to. You can pick the glass stuff up really easily, which is why I dont get why they put so much weight on it.

[777forever]

I think the ASA interview sim ride checks instrument skills and if you are trainable. Lets see, if I tell you exactly how to fly this plane with no surprises can you do it? The one guy in my group didn't make it, butchered the sim ride pretty bad. He didn't have any previous glass time.

BTW, I don't know why they dropped minimums because after the contract passed classes have been FULL.

[surreal1221]

As far as I have been told, they only dropped minimums for the tools that purchased a regional jet transition standardizations course.

[Gonzo]

And people from ERAU, UND, and school with glass planes.

[mtsu_av8er]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

They called me and want me to get my MEI before they will offer me an interview.

Now, that makes me feel a bit better!

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Now, that makes me feel a bit better!

Not me. . .

ASA HR is still sucking up all these human bags of fun who take the RJ courses at 190-250 hours.

Just real disappointing.

[777forever]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

As far as I have been told, they only dropped minimums for the tools that purchased a regional jet transition standardizations course.

Its probably part of some agreement they have with these larger universities. Personally I have no problem with them hiring low time pilots out of these universities, especially if they have a high GPA.

[meritflyer]

Originally Posted by 777forever

Personally I have no problem with them hiring low time pilots out of these universities, especially if they have a high GPA.

[P&H]

Originally Posted by 777forever

Personally I have no problem with them hiring low time pilots out of these universities, especially if they have a high GPA.

wtf

[ComplexHiAv8r]

Originally Posted by 777forever

Its probably part of some agreement they have with these larger universities. Personally I have no problem with them hiring low time pilots out of these universities, especially if they have a high GPA.

And what does a high GPA determine?