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[mikecweb]

Originally Posted by ComplexHiAv8r

And what does a high GPA determine?

Seriously, a joke of a company that looks at glass 172 time better then part 121 turboprop nothing surpises me. I do hold a high college GPA higher then glass 172 time. Just me but I rather have someone who is smarter up there, then someone who paid $20 more per hour for their training and trained in a g1000 airplane.

[TheOneMarine]

I have no 121, a CFI (no double I or MEI), I don't have an RJ course (though they did recommend it when I applied with 400/50), and only applied with the bare minimums of 500/50 (I do have G-1000 time) and they did the step by step thing where they sent the packet first and would schedule you to interview if they saw what they liked. I sent back the packet and was called for an interview 4 days later. I really want to go to ASA though. Point is, I'm not sure what put me in the step by step group and they never recommended the RJ thing the second time I applied with mins but I got the interview anyway so I guess it depends.

[mastermags]

Originally Posted by Fly4Pay

Aw, heck... just fly MS Flight Sim for a couple hours and you'll be good to go!

I think that's what I told them I had done over the phone.

[meritflyer]

Originally Posted by ComplexHiAv8r

And what does a high GPA determine?

Dood, didn't you know that having a high GPA makes you much better at flying an ILS in a CRJ?

(Agreed, WTF?!?!)

[GlenWimpy]

Originally Posted by meritflyer

Dood, didn't you know that having a high GPA makes you much better at flying an ILS in a CRJ?

(Agreed, WTF?!?!)

What if you got your GED in less then 4 tries? Is that good?

[777forever]

It most likely means you have a pretty good brain up there. Ability to pick up concepts quickly. Good analytical skills. Good study skills. I would take the high GPA candidate anyday over the average or lower GPA candidate. I know 100% that this is something that is looked at in interviews.

[SpiraMirabilis]

I received a call from ASA this morning to do a phone screening but I was flying and had my phone turned off! Doh! And they're going to be out of the office till thursday. What is a phone screening exactly?

[surreal1221]

A couple of HR questions, get to know you (what your aviation experience is. . .etc), if they like the answers, an offer for an interview should occur within the last 30 seconds.

[SpiraMirabilis]

Yep, he called me back. He's sending an application rather than scheduling an interview because I have not taken one of those CRJ classes. :|

[TheOneMarine]

Originally Posted by SpiraMirabilis

Yep, he called me back. He's sending an application rather than scheduling an interview because I have not taken one of those CRJ classes. :|

That's what happened to me. I filled it out, sent it back and was called back for an interview only a few days later. No big. I guess that's just how they're doing it now.

[meritflyer]

Originally Posted by 777forever

It most likely means you have a pretty good brain up there. Ability to pick up concepts quickly. Good analytical skills. Good study skills. I would take the high GPA candidate anyday over the average or lower GPA candidate.

Well, I am not going to discount a good education because it is important.

On another note, as a CFI I trained Honeywell engineers with MS and PhD's degrees daily since we had a deal with Honeywell. Brilliant minds these guys had but when it came to flying a 172 they were retards.

So to say a potential candidate with a 3.9 GPA and a history major is going to be more analytical and able to pick up concepts quickly is slightly skewed, IMO.

[SpiraMirabilis]

The guy said that to get an interview you pretty much had to have glass cockpit time or a CRJ course. Maybe he meant to get an interview from one of those phone screeners.

This is one of the reasons I don't particularly like those CRJ courses. They're beoming a pre-requisite??

[Flyinghigh09]

Originally Posted by SpiraMirabilis

The guy said that to get an interview you pretty much had to have glass cockpit time or a CRJ course. Maybe he meant to get an interview from one of those phone screeners.

This is one of the reasons I don't particularly like those CRJ courses. They're beoming a pre-requisite??

Is HR recommending a specific CRJ course or will they accept a course from any school

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by SpiraMirabilis

The guy said that to get an interview you pretty much had to have glass cockpit time or a CRJ course. Maybe he meant to get an interview from one of those phone screeners.

This is one of the reasons I don't particularly like those CRJ courses. They're beoming a pre-requisite??

I yi. . .

Well, you know what I'd do?

Seek employment elsewhere. Otherwise these companies will think that this is an acceptable practice.

But - I also suppose it's easy for me to say since I have >150hrs of glass time.

Sorry man.

[777forever]

I got called with 497TT 64ME and 10 hrs glass and they scheduled an interview. surprised they are turning down folks. Classes have been full recently so maybe they are being more selective. Hey surreal how much longer til you arrive at Acey?

[RightSeatGirl]

Man...the dilemma. Which to tackle first...hmm

Firstly, a high GPA and a damn piece of paper that comes from some college says one thing and one thing only. You did the work required of you. Education, high GPA or otherwise, does not automatically equate to anything other then average intelligence. Some of the stupidest people I have even met were highly educated. Their problem was though their education made them "informed". Their lack of intellect prevents them from being able to think "outside the box". And having that ability, combined with natural aptitude, the obvious eye hand coordination skills necessary and the shear desire to do the job well is what makes a good pilot......Not education. After all, a high GPA could have been earned getting a degree in basket weaving....Now if the paper said "Doctorate of Partical Physics" one could make that argument....But how many physicists do we have flying around in the cockpits of RJ's?

On ASA, I interviewed with the peckerwoods, (yes my bitterness comes from not getting the job), but wait! There's more "comma - pause for effect"........

I too got the invitation to fill out the application vs the immediate interview invite. But fill it out I did and got called for the interview. I aced the silly written, blazed through the technical interview and made it to the sim. ASA wants people who either can already fly a jet, or has an uncommon natural ability to fly one insofar as low-timers go. The sim eval was very much like a short checkride. It was a point to point flight, with all rules in effect. Some low timers get lucky (or got mad natural skills) and make it...most without jet experience or glass time don't. The chief pilot is a pure tool. A smug man that thinks he's god's gift to the airlines. He, in addition to my poor performance in the sim eval, made it clear I was never going to be seriously considered for employment due to my prior work history, low time, and only having 30 hours in the last 60 days. He said...and I quote.." with your level of experience, and coming from the background you do, no airline will touch you until you do some CFI'ing for a couple of years...but keep in touch" - prick.

Two months later I smoked through training at the airline I'm at now flying something that's got a higher workload then an RJ.....

Basically, if they like you, your in...even if you suck in the sim. If they don't....Keep the resume warmed up... And they def have the high hard one for glass time...

[TheOneMarine]

Originally Posted by RightSeatGirl

Man...the dilemma. Which to tackle first...hmm

Firstly, a high GPA and a damn piece of paper that comes from some college says one thing and one thing only. You did the work required of you. Education, high GPA or otherwise, does not automatically equate to anything other then average intelligence. Some of the stupidest people I have even met were highly educated. Their problem was though their education made them "informed". Their lack of intellect prevents them from being able to think "outside the box". And having that ability, combined with natural aptitude, the obvious eye hand coordination skills necessary and the shear desire to do the job well is what makes a good pilot......Not education. After all, a high GPA could have been earned getting a degree in basket weaving....Now if the paper said "Doctorate of Partical Physics" one could make that argument....But how many physicists do we have flying around in the cockpits of RJ's?

On ASA, I interviewed with the peckerwoods, (yes my bitterness comes from not getting the job), but wait! There's more "comma - pause for effect"........

I too got the invitation to fill out the application vs the immediate interview invite. But fill it out I did and got called for the interview. I aced the silly written, blazed through the technical interview and made it to the sim. ASA wants people who either can already fly a jet, or has an uncommon natural ability to fly one insofar as low-timers go. The sim eval was very much like a short checkride. It was a point to point flight, with all rules in effect. Some low timers get lucky (or got mad natural skills) and make it...most without jet experience or glass time don't. The chief pilot is a pure tool. A smug man that thinks he's god's gift to the airlines. He, in addition to my poor performance in the sim eval, made it clear I was never going to be seriously considered for employment due to my prior work history, low time, and only having 30 hours in the last 60 days. He said...and I quote.." with your level of experience, and coming from the background you do, no airline will touch you until you do some CFI'ing for a couple of years...but keep in touch" - prick.

Two months later I smoked through training at the airline I'm at now flying something that's got a higher workload then an RJ.....

Basically, if they like you, your in...even if you suck in the sim. If they don't....Keep the resume warmed up... And they def have the high hard one for glass time...

That's what I've picked up on so far. Glass, CFI time, and an internal recommendation are all very high on the list. We'll see how it goes I guess. Rightseatgirl, when did you interview with them?

[777forever]

Man you guys are making it sound like it is so incredibly hard to get on to ASA. The sim ride just evaluates basic IFR skills. You don't need to be able to fly a jet to do well. They tell you EXACTLY what you have to do in a thorough briefing. All you have to do is follow what they say and use your basic instrument scan. Now if you don't have a basic instrument scan, well thats your fault. Go do a little more CFIIing.

[RightSeatGirl]

July of 07, I had 580tt, 135 multi, 55 turbine. I was the only one in the interview group that landed the sim without nearly destroying the hydraulics. And I was apparently...also a direct quote from Captain Tool.." 99% guaranteed to fail the training program."

I honestly blew the sim eval over getting lost on speed and altitude control. Which had pretty much everything to do with no glass time. In ASA world, no glass time = untrainable.

And 777, paleeeeeze! basic scan from analog panel flying with no glass exp does one no good in that sim. Basic experienced glass style scan...I can see where it would be easy. If you had none, then you got mad skills..period.

[mikecweb]

Originally Posted by RightSeatGirl

He said...and I quote.." with your level of experience, and coming from the background you do, no airline will touch you until you do some CFI'ing for a couple of years...but keep in touch" - prick.

Originally Posted by RightSeatGirl

July of 07, I had 580tt, 135 multi, 55 turbine.

I would have said the same thing. Maybe I'm a prick too.
Then again I needed 2000tt to be qualified to fly a jet.

[TheOneMarine]

Originally Posted by 777forever

Man you guys are making it sound like it is so incredibly hard to get on to ASA. The sim ride just evaluates basic IFR skills. You don't need to be able to fly a jet to do well. They tell you EXACTLY what you have to do in a thorough briefing. All you have to do is follow what they say and use your basic instrument scan. Now if you don't have a basic instrument scan, well thats your fault. Go do a little more CFIIing.

I think that right there sums up my nervousness about this interview. It seems almost everyone who posts on here has a story of the ASA interview gone wrong where they sent you home for no reason. So many negatives about not being hired it just seems like an impossible thing to accomplish unless you have a ton of glass, ton of turbine, etc. I have 85 hrs of glass, have been training in a CRJ900 PCATD and still feel unprepared after reading some of the gouges here!

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by RightSeatGirl

Man...the dilemma. Which to tackle first...hmm

Firstly, a high GPA and a damn piece of paper that comes from some college says one thing and one thing only. You did the work required of you. Education, high GPA or otherwise, does not automatically equate to anything other then average intelligence. Some of the stupidest people I have even met were highly educated. Their problem was though their education made them "informed". Their lack of intellect prevents them from being able to think "outside the box". And having that ability, combined with natural aptitude, the obvious eye hand coordination skills necessary and the shear desire to do the job well is what makes a good pilot......Not education. After all, a high GPA could have been earned getting a degree in basket weaving....Now if the paper said "Doctorate of Partical Physics" one could make that argument....But how many physicists do we have flying around in the cockpits of RJ's?

On ASA, I interviewed with the peckerwoods, (yes my bitterness comes from not getting the job), but wait! There's more "comma - pause for effect"........

I too got the invitation to fill out the application vs the immediate interview invite. But fill it out I did and got called for the interview. I aced the silly written, blazed through the technical interview and made it to the sim. ASA wants people who either can already fly a jet, or has an uncommon natural ability to fly one insofar as low-timers go. The sim eval was very much like a short checkride. It was a point to point flight, with all rules in effect. Some low timers get lucky (or got mad natural skills) and make it...most without jet experience or glass time don't. The chief pilot is a pure tool. A smug man that thinks he's god's gift to the airlines. He, in addition to my poor performance in the sim eval, made it clear I was never going to be seriously considered for employment due to my prior work history, low time, and only having 30 hours in the last 60 days. He said...and I quote.." with your level of experience, and coming from the background you do, no airline will touch you until you do some CFI'ing for a couple of years...but keep in touch" - prick.

Two months later I smoked through training at the airline I'm at now flying something that's got a higher workload then an RJ.....

Basically, if they like you, your in...even if you suck in the sim. If they don't....Keep the resume warmed up... And they def have the high hard one for glass time...

Not that you care, it's obvious you're willing to burn that bridge. . .and while it is a small world - you'll be very happy to know that Dan Robertson - head of Pilot Recruiting - is a member of this very forum. Albeit, he remains very incognito and I have only seen ONE post from him down in an academy forum many many months ago.

But yeah, while he isn't the CP - ASA does have the potential and ability to view the forums and everything that is said.

It appears though that RSG, you are very happy in your present position with who ever your employer is.

Originally Posted by 777forever

I got called with 497TT 64ME and 10 hrs glass and they scheduled an interview. surprised they are turning down folks. Classes have been full recently so maybe they are being more selective. Hey surreal how much longer til you arrive at Acey?

Ah man, I really don't know. I've got two instrument students that I really want to finish up - so it may end up being the middle of February. I also have two pre-solo private students that I at least would like to get past their initial solo and some XC before moving on. . .but, I don't know how long that'll take. One is a FA for AirTran who just got displaced back to Reserves for January - the other one might actually get to solo sometime in January if her progress continues.

Time will tell.

Had a chance to fly the RJ up at FlightSafety today (thanks Rausda27!). Very pitch sensitive, but maintain altitude fine, flew a good approach. But right at about the OM going into Tampa I realized I still had the FD on and recalled hearing that on the initial sim eval it's raw data only.

Ah - no biggy.

[zmiller4]

Originally Posted by TheOneMarine

I think that right there sums up my nervousness about this interview. It seems almost everyone who posts on here has a story of the ASA interview gone wrong where they sent you home for no reason. So many negatives about not being hired it just seems like an impossible thing to accomplish unless you have a ton of glass, ton of turbine, etc. I have 85 hrs of glass, have been training in a CRJ900 PCATD and still feel unprepared after reading some of the gouges here!

I highly doubt it's that difficult. You're reading posts from low-time applicants and guys who claim suspect flight time...people like that should have a hard time with an interview.

There's no way I could have passed the interviews I had when I was only at 500hrs.

[TheOneMarine]

Originally Posted by zmiller4

I highly doubt it's that difficult. You're reading posts from low-time applicants and guys who claim suspect flight time...people like that should have a hard time with an interview.

There's no way I could have passed the interviews I had when I was only at 500hrs.

Not reassuring bro! I only have 560TT. Granted no suspect time, its all instructing, but it I guess all I can do is go and do my best.

[ComplexHiAv8r]

Originally Posted by TheOneMarine

Not reassuring bro! I only have 560TT. Granted no suspect time, its all instructing, but it I guess all I can do is go and do my best.

Just remember to wear your leather jacket and sunglasses all will be fine! It you need to borrow my iPod, just let me know.