Are these guys serious?

[206driver]

I came across this on another forum and wanted to get a response from the more mature folks found on this board.
Here goes, a low time pilot interviews with an airline. That said pilot is told by the airline that he needs an additional 50 hours of multi time before he can be given a class date.
This is the reponse from another poster and I quote " get a pen, sit down and get creative with your logbook". He went on to state how it is usally discussed in ground school how "creative" guys got with their logbooks when they were seeking interviews.
How do you guys feel about this. Does this not speak to one's character.
Are these guys for real?

[ComplexHiAv8r]

Sad to think that this is true, but I could believe it is happening.

[PGT]

Originally Posted by ComplexHiAv8r

Sad to think that this is true, but I could believe it is happening.

Yea that.

Very sad how low some people will sink to get on with a regional.

[moxiepilot]

It's sad that it's done because it doesn't need to be with the minimums where they are.

[Bandit_Driver]

very sad indeed. If they will lie in their logbooks I wonder what other unsafe things they are willing to do in a plane.

[casey]

in my groundschool the only talk of logbooks was sharing stories of our interviews and the guys that got shown the door for having shady time in book. (part 91 king air SIC, part 135 with no 135 checkride, etc)

[Direct-enter-enter]

Nice quick way to lose your ticket. IMHO

[B767Driver]

Originally Posted by 206driver

I came across this on another forum and wanted to get a response from the more mature folks found on this board.
Here goes, a low time pilot interviews with an airline. That said pilot is told by the airline that he needs an additional 50 hours of multi time before he can be given a class date.
This is the reponse from another poster and I quote " get a pen, sit down and get creative with your logbook". He went on to state how it is usally discussed in ground school how "creative" guys got with their logbooks when they were seeking interviews.
How do you guys feel about this. Does this not speak to one's character.
Are these guys for real?

This is a big reason why airlines prefer military trained pilots. You can't forge logbooks there.

If you have bare minimum times...save receipts, school records, etc. If I was interviewing you, I'd be asking some questions to verify your time.

[tonyw]

I think someone said as a joke that Bic time is as good as PIC time.

I'd never cheat like that but we've got about a quarter of a million people with their tickets.

Even if you say that only one percent of them are bungholes who would stoop so low, that's about 2500 people who would do it.

Now, if we're talking about saying, well, it's 15 minutes so I'm going to log it as 0.3 hours instead of 0.2, that's one thing. But forging entries? That's just low.

[greaper007]

I've heard that in Florida each cloud you go through counts for .1 of actual....

TT or time in A/C, don't mess around with that. Even if it works it may come back to haunt you.

[v1valarob]

Lets hope they get caught and there goes their ATP:

Sec. 61.151 Eligibility requirements: General.
To be eligible for an airline transport pilot certificate, a person must--
(a) Be at least 23 years of age;
(b) Be able to read, speak, write, and understand the English language.
(c) Be of good moral character;
(d) Meet at least one of the following requirements:

-Rob

[taildragger173]

This is not good moral character.

[206driver]

Now, if we're talking about saying, well, it's 15 minutes so I'm going to log it as 0.3 hours instead of 0.2, that's one thing. But forging entries? That's just low.[/quote]

[ctab5060X]

Originally Posted by v1valarob

Lets hope they get caught and there goes their ATP:

-Rob

Just curious, why go with something that can be as vauge as "good moral character". Why not just use 61.59? It would seem a bit more "clear cut" than "good moral character".

Sec. 61.59 Falsification, reproduction, or alteration of applications, certificates, logbooks, reports, or records.

a) No person may make or cause to be made:
(1) Any fraudulent or intentionally false statement on any application for a certificate, rating, authorization, or duplicate thereof, issued under this part;
(2) Any fraudulent or intentionally false entry in any logbook, record, or report that is required to be kept, made, or used to show compliance with any requirement for the issuance or exercise of the privileges of any certificate, rating, or authorization under this part;
(3) Any reproduction for fraudulent purpose of any certificate, rating, or authorization, under this part; or
(4) Any alteration of any certificate, rating, or authorization under this part.
(b) The commission of an act prohibited under paragraph (a) of this section is a basis for suspending or revoking any airman certificate, rating, or authorization held by that person.

[SmitteyB]

Originally Posted by greaper007

I've heard that in Florida each cloud you go through counts for .1 of actual....

TT or time in A/C, don't mess around with that. Even if it works it may come back to haunt you.

I've logged 1 cloud as .1. Completely legal.

[Sidious]

Originally Posted by tonyw

Even if you say that only one percent of them are bungholes who would stoop so low, that's about 2500 people who would do it.

That 1% is a huge number. Ive never met anyone like that buy if they are bragging about it in such a way they will be caught.... Its only a matter of time.

[mojo6911]

Originally Posted by SmitteyB

I've logged 1 cloud as .1. Completely legal.

If you are in it for 6 minutes.

[ashtonATL]

It happens all the time.. had a 20K hr senior captain suggest I add about 800 hours to my flight time to interview with his freight feeder (a very well known and respected one)a number of years ago. I thought he was kidding, or trying to dupe me... as some time went on I learned he was dead serious. I told him they would see it when I got in the simulator for sure, he laughed and said it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference.. I didnt do it though, way to much risk to BS that much time..

[SmitteyB]

Originally Posted by mojo6911

If you are in it for 6 minutes.

Well with that being said- lets say you go an do a flight in the traffic pattern- 1 landing. And from startup to shutdown is 5 mins. The hobbs doesn't even change...

I guess you can't log that flight.

Unless you log .05

[JaceTheAce]

I've heard it being called "Bic Time" - something that can get you in serious trouble if someone finds out. All it takes is your logbook and another record not adding up and you're toast.

[TheOneMarine]

We have got to be some of the most unsupervised professionals though. When I'm with a student in the plane I can (theoretically) do barrel rolls and backflips till I'm blue in the face and unless something goes wrong, the owner/school never knows. I suppose with that there will always be the few that take it to the extremes though.

Edit: Not to sound stupid but what is "Bic" time? What does it stand for?

[SmitteyB]

Bic like the pen. Because its forged time.

[BobDDuck]

Originally Posted by TheOneMarine

Edit: Not to sound stupid but what is "Bic" time? What does it stand for?

[TheOneMarine]

Ah, well I feel very small .... Nice pic of the pens too BobD, lmao, very nice

[ComplexHiAv8r]

Originally Posted by TheOneMarine

When I'm with a student in the plane I can (theoretically) do barrel rolls and backflips till I'm blue in the face and unless something goes wrong, the owner/school never knows. I suppose with that there will always be the few that take it to the extremes though.

So your the one we heard stories about......