Question Re: Logging Metroliner right seat time

Avi8orn8 · November 17th, 2007, 10:44

I'm currently a C-208 pilot flying for a Part 135 cargo outfit. Recently I flew right seat in one of my company's SA-227s (Metroliner) for about 4 hours, solely manipulating the controls for 3 of the 4 legs. Does anyone know how best (if at all) this time can be logged? I'm still rather low on multi time so I'd hate to completely pass up logging the experience. Note: I'm not typed in the Metroliner and have not received the SIC training. I'm a CFI/MEI, but the captain is not. I'd appreciate any input!

BobDDuck · November 17th, 2007, 10:53

You can log it however you want. Just be aware that if you log it as PIC (as in the kind the airlines are looking for when they do hiring) they will probably laugh at you, or worst case ask you a bunch of questions about the systems of the aircraft that you probably won't have the answers for. There are a bunch of threads on here about logging PIC as in you signed for the airplane and PIC as in you were the sole manipulator.

My thought... don't log it. But that's just me.

ZapBrannigan · November 17th, 2007, 11:16

Hmm... not to jump on this guy's thread... but what's your opinion about logging PIC in a co-Captain department. Both crewmembers are type-rated, both qualified as PIC (and therefore able to answer those systems questions) but the company designates the "PIC of the day" and that is who signs for the airplane.

My department is like that and, personally, I would only log PIC as that period of time that I signed for the airplane i/e company designated PIC. However, the folks who log the time as sole manipulator would certainly have every right to do so...

Slightly more interesting twist on an old favorite.

gomntwins · November 17th, 2007, 11:24

I don't think you can log it at all if they were 135 legs. If you're not typed, then you cannot log it as PIC-- for the metro you do need the type. You cannot do training on 135 legs. So, you cannot log those legs. The only shot you would have is if you were flying part 91 legs and the captain you were flying with is either a company training captain, MEI, or ATP... and then you could only log those legs as dual received.

I've been wrong before, but I think that's how it works.

EatSleepFly · November 17th, 2007, 11:25

, except even if the captain was just an ATP (no MEI), it wouldn't be legal unless Avi8orn8 was undergoing training for that company, in the Metro. In other words, even though I have an ATP and a Metro type, I couldn't just go out Part 91 in a Metro, let some guy fondle the controls, and put it in his logbook as dual received, because I am not an MEI, and he is not receiving instruction in "air transportation service."

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Originally Posted by Avi8orn8

I'm currently a C-208 pilot flying for a Part 135 cargo outfit. Recently I flew right seat in one of my company's SA-227s (Metroliner) for about 4 hours, solely manipulating the controls for 3 of the 4 legs. Does anyone know how best (if at all) this time can be logged? I'm still rather low on multi time so I'd hate to completely pass up logging the experience. Note: I'm not typed in the Metroliner and have not received the SIC training. I'm a CFI/MEI, but the captain is not. I'd appreciate any input!

Chalk it up as a learning experience, but keep it out of your logbook. If those were 135 legs, it was flat out illegal.

ZapBrannigan · November 17th, 2007, 11:30

Wasn't illegal if the captain had a single pilot type in the Metro. (It is certified single pilot. Your certificate will indicate whether you're qualified to FLY it as such.)

<-- former Metro puke from back when if you told me that one day Chautauqua would have jets i'd have had you drug tested.

EatSleepFly · November 17th, 2007, 11:47

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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan

Wasn't illegal if the captain had a single pilot type in the Metro. (It is certified single pilot. Your certificate will indicate whether you're qualified to FLY it as such.)

I don't follow you. I have a single pilot type in the Metro, and flew it 135. Letting someone who has no type and no 135 SIC qualification in it manipulate the controls on a 135 leg is black and white illegal. Not that you would get caught... unless you're dumb enough to log it.

gomntwins · November 17th, 2007, 11:52

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Originally Posted by EatSleepFly

I don't follow you. I have a single pilot type in the Metro, and flew it 135. Letting someone who has no type and no 135 SIC qualification in it manipulate the controls on a 135 leg is black and white illegal. Not that you would get caught... unless you're dumb enough to log it.

I agree... it's illegal.

Avi8orn8 · November 20th, 2007, 00:32

Thanks for the replies everybody. I'm not going to log it.

EatSleepFly · November 20th, 2007, 00:40

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Originally Posted by Avi8orn8

Thanks for the replies everybody. I'm not going to log it.

Stick around and keep posting! We need more freight dogs around here!

November 17th, 2007, 10:44	#1
Avi8orn8 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4	Question Re: Logging Metroliner right seat time I'm currently a C-208 pilot flying for a Part 135 cargo outfit. Recently I flew right seat in one of my company's SA-227s (Metroliner) for about 4 hours, solely manipulating the controls for 3 of the 4 legs. Does anyone know how best (if at all) this time can be logged? I'm still rather low on multi time so I'd hate to completely pass up logging the experience. Note: I'm not typed in the Metroliner and have not received the SIC training. I'm a CFI/MEI, but the captain is not. I'd appreciate any input!

November 17th, 2007, 10:53	#2
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 5,564	Re: Question Re: Logging Metroliner right seat time You can log it however you want. Just be aware that if you log it as PIC (as in the kind the airlines are looking for when they do hiring) they will probably laugh at you, or worst case ask you a bunch of questions about the systems of the aircraft that you probably won't have the answers for. There are a bunch of threads on here about logging PIC as in you signed for the airplane and PIC as in you were the sole manipulator. My thought... don't log it. But that's just me. __________________ TBJC08 The Gear Monkey The Gear Monkey Store

November 17th, 2007, 11:16	#3
ZapBrannigan Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Mom n' Pop Retailer Posts: 827	Re: Question Re: Logging Metroliner right seat time Hmm... not to jump on this guy's thread... but what's your opinion about logging PIC in a co-Captain department. Both crewmembers are type-rated, both qualified as PIC (and therefore able to answer those systems questions) but the company designates the "PIC of the day" and that is who signs for the airplane. My department is like that and, personally, I would only log PIC as that period of time that I signed for the airplane i/e company designated PIC. However, the folks who log the time as sole manipulator would certainly have every right to do so... Slightly more interesting twist on an old favorite. __________________ ATP Types (LRJET / B737 / SF340 / BAe3101) SIC (DC9 / CRJ / D328) CFI, CFII, MEI, AGI, IGI, Aircraft Dispatcher.

November 17th, 2007, 11:24	#4
gomntwins Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: South Dakota Posts: 479	Re: Question Re: Logging Metroliner right seat time I don't think you can log it at all if they were 135 legs. If you're not typed, then you cannot log it as PIC-- for the metro you do need the type. You cannot do training on 135 legs. So, you cannot log those legs. The only shot you would have is if you were flying part 91 legs and the captain you were flying with is either a company training captain, MEI, or ATP... and then you could only log those legs as dual received. I've been wrong before, but I think that's how it works.

November 17th, 2007, 11:30	#6
ZapBrannigan Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Mom n' Pop Retailer Posts: 827	Re: Question Re: Logging Metroliner right seat time Wasn't illegal if the captain had a single pilot type in the Metro. (It is certified single pilot. Your certificate will indicate whether you're qualified to FLY it as such.) <-- former Metro puke from back when if you told me that one day Chautauqua would have jets i'd have had you drug tested. __________________ ATP Types (LRJET / B737 / SF340 / BAe3101) SIC (DC9 / CRJ / D328) CFI, CFII, MEI, AGI, IGI, Aircraft Dispatcher.

November 20th, 2007, 00:32	#9
Avi8orn8 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4	Re: Question Re: Logging Metroliner right seat time Thanks for the replies everybody. I'm not going to log it.

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