G1000 or Round dial for IR

[frog_flyer]

My flight club has 2 new model C172SPs with old gauges and king 94 GPS.

Also have 1 06 SP G1000 and an 07 R model(160HP) G1000.

I fly both of them for the same price.



SO, which 'fleet' should I use for my IR? Why?

[BuickCFI]

Glass is easy once you figure it out, almost too easy as it does so much for you.

[jbpilot]

Originally Posted by frog_flyer

My flight club has 2 new model C172SPs with old gauges and king 94 GPS.

Also have 1 06 SP G1000 and an 07 R model(160HP) G1000.

I fly both of them for the same price.



SO, which 'fleet' should I use for my IR? Why?

Sounds like you are flying over at Skymavs, where I am actually a member of the flight club. I would absolutely do your IR on the round gauges, as it is much much easier to go from those to the G1000 than from the G1000 to round gauges. I totally agree with the previous post, in that the G1000 is almost too easy to fly. You really need to learn the fundamentals first, and then transfer those skills to the glass cockpit. You will be a much better and safer pilot. Trust me though, you will certainly love the ease of the G1000 after all the hard work you put in on the steam gauges for your IR. It is worth it though!!!

[AngelFuree]

The first two to three hours with glass might seem "difficult" but that's only as part of the transition. Flying glass is cheating IMO, way too easy. It is very easy to get carried away with how many things it can do for you.

I suggest you practice steam gauges for IR training. It develops your scan and situational awareness.

One of my instrument students found it difficult to fly in a conventional cockpit, after having flown glass. That's not a good sign. His situational awareness wasn't as good.

Having an HSI/RMI with a ground track line and the flight plan depicted on it makes it a very nice supplement to situational awareness but it's when we rely on it that it becomes a problem.

Don't get me wrong. I would fly a glass airplane for IFR flying if it's a leisure trip. However, in a training environment, it is best to develop your situational awareness skills without relying on a moving map, etc. Flying glass is just plain cheating. Just my $0.02...

P.S.- I'm still a fan of ADF or RMI! Love it!

[AngelFuree]

Originally Posted by jbpilot

Sounds like you are flying over at Skymavs, where I am actually a member of the flight club. I would absolutely do your IR on the round gauges, as it is much much easier to go from those to the G1000 than from the G1000 to round gauges. I totally agree with the previous post, in that the G1000 is almost too easy to fly. You really need to learn the fundamentals first, and then transfer those skills to the glass cockpit. You will be a much better and safer pilot. Trust me though, you will certainly love the ease of the G1000 after all the hard work you put in on the steam gauges for your IR. It is worth it though!!!

X 207320570239852093850. Definitely true!

[jwp_145]

Cheating? Nah. I did my first 20 hours in round dial on instrument training, then went to the G1000. In the G1000, you still have to develop an instrument scan, you still have to do all of the other stuff that you do in the round dials. You still tune VORs, dial in radials, hold at intersections... if you don't want that intersection displayed on the MFD, then just turn it to a different page. It is apples and oranges, really, as I can take the tools learned doing instruments in the G1000 and easily apply them to the steam gauges.

PS... I OWNED that instrument checkride.

[tprops4me]

Originally Posted by jwp_145

Cheating? Nah. I did my first 20 hours in round dial on instrument training, then went to the G1000. In the G1000, you still have to develop an instrument scan, you still have to do all of the other stuff that you do in the round dials. You still tune VORs, dial in radials, hold at intersections... if you don't want that intersection displayed on the MFD, then just turn it to a different page. It is apples and oranges, really, as I can take the tools learned doing instruments in the G1000 and easily apply them to the steam gauges.

PS... I OWNED that instrument checkride.

Just curious. Have you flown steam guages in IFR yet?

[Seggy]

Do it in the round dial. No brainer.

[tprops4me]

I think one of the biggest dissimilarities is the fact that the 1000 uses a HSI instaed of a CDI for course tracking. Granted some non glass planes also have an HSI, but most trainers do not. Flying the CDI is not as intuitive as the HSI.

[Champcar]

Use the G1000. Like it or not some regionals like Glass time. Going from glass to steam is no big deal and is not hard. All you need to do is fly the glass airplane and fly a round dial sim every once and a while and you'll be set.

[charlie1017]

Start with round dial!

[adreamer]

Round dial.

[EatSleepFly]

Originally Posted by frog_flyer

I fly both of them for the same price.



SO, which 'fleet' should I use for my IR? Why?

In that case, I'd say do a little in each and get the best of both worlds.

If that isn't possible, then go with the old school. When the time comes, the transition from 'steam gauges' to glass is pretty much a non-event, even for a /A, old school, steam gauge guy like myself.

[kellwolf]

Round dial. It'll save you some $$$, and you'll be a better instrument pilot for it. What would suck is if you did all your instrument stuff in the G1000 and wound up at Mesaba in the Saab, Colgan or flying the Saab at Eagle. I'd rather be comfortable on round gauges and have to transition to glass than the other way around. After flying glass for two years, I'm not very comfortable with round gauges myself. If I got a call to interview at NWA tomorrow, I'd have to spend hours on MSFS just getting my instrument scan back.....

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by Champcar

Use the G1000. Like it or not some regionals like Glass time. Going from glass to steam is no big deal and is not hard. All you need to do is fly the glass airplane and fly a round dial sim every once and a while and you'll be set.

Eh, that MAY have been true about a year and a half ago when you might have needed an edge over the other guy to get the interview. Now your edge is "I have 5 more hours of ME than the other guy who has 30." When regionals are hiring guys with wet ink on their CMEL with hardly any instrument time (and zero actual), I don't think glass matters.

[jtrain609]

Rag are you actually serious? Are you drunk?

Round dials dude. The transition to glass isn't that hard, but going the other way WILL be.

[surreal1221]

I'd recommend, doing all the BAI in the round dials.

Then, intermix the round dials and g1000 for learning approaches.

I'd take the checkride in the G1000 as well.

I used the round dials for all of my IA rating, developed my glass scan during my ME phase and have more actual time with glass - hence my recommendation for glass.

[Baronman]

Round Dial!!

And make sure inside one of those round dials is an ADF!

[OldTownPilot]

There was one kid that visited our school that was floored that I am going to be starting my instrument soon in a /U airplane with an ADF and Loran.

For A bit he didn't think it was legal to fly without DME for your instrument.

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by OldTownPilot

There was one kid that visited our school that was floored that I am going to be starting my instrument soon in a /U airplane with an ADF and Loran.

For A bit he didn't think it was legal to fly without DME for your instrument.

Does he at least know it's legal to ID fixes with cross radials?

[granlistillo]

Originally Posted by tprops4me

I think one of the biggest dissimilarities is the fact that the 1000 uses a HSI instaed of a CDI for course tracking. Granted some non glass planes also have an HSI, but most trainers do not. Flying the CDI is not as intuitive as the HSI.

The Garmin 1000 combines the HSI with an RMI on the PFD into one instrument. Most folks doing the IR do not know how to use an RMI. I saw a guy bomb out of an airline interview, and one thing that hurt him was he didn't have a clue how to use an RMI.
Flying arcs and intercepting inbound courses on Instrument approaches with the dual instrument on the PFD is great. Not to mention SA the MFD gives you.

[OldTownPilot]

Originally Posted by kellwolf

Does he at least know it's legal to ID fixes with cross radials?

NOPE! had NO CLUE what you can do with 2 VORs.

He does now though

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by OldTownPilot

NOPE! had NO CLUE what you can do with 2 VORs.

He does now though

Geez....I could go on, but I think I'll let Lloyd or jtrain take this one.

[caliginousface]

Go steam or go home woowoo!!!!!!

[OldTownPilot]

Kid had his private from some G1000 program. and wanted to get his instrument from us if we had an airplane with it. He ended up going someplace else. Hadnt a clue what an NDB, or ADF was. I never had time to talk about that "GPS looking thingy" called a loran.

As he left He had the audacity to say "well I'll be flying a JET in a year with my GLASS time, and you'll be lucky to be in some crap turboprop, while I get JET time"

I said "Yes I will be lucky if I get the chance to fly an awesome piece of machinery that is caled a turboprop."