Logging time

[DAnbert]

I have a few questions about logging time.
1. Do you have to log time? I know there is a lot of talk about TT. Understandable in a commercial application where you are restricted, but say as a private pilot.
2. When you are CFI'ing, do you log time even when the student is in control of the airplane for the entire flight? (like when they are close to solo and do every part)
just curious.

[jrh]

Originally Posted by DAnbert

1. Do you have to log time?

Nope. Most people *want* to log time, but nobody is legally required to, beyond whatever the minimum is for things like currency (for instance, carrying passengers at night requires you to perform *and* log three takeoffs and landings at night within the past 90 days) or applying for a new certificate or rating (for instance, to apply for a commercial certificate you must have at least 250 hours logged in your logbook, along with all the other aeronautical experience requirements spelled out in Part 61).

Take a look at 14 CFR 61.51(a) to see what I'm talking about.

Originally Posted by DAnbert

2. When you are CFI'ing, do you log time even when the student is in control of the airplane for the entire flight?

Yes. That's because the regulations allow an instructor to log all time spent acting as an instructor. They do not need to be touching the controls to be acting as an instructor.

14 CFR 61.51(e)(iii)(3) is the regulation that allows this.

[DAnbert]

Thank you for your answers.
I will check out those regs.

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Additionally, all time as CFI is spent as PIC.

[MidlifeFlyer]

Originally Posted by PeanuckleCRJ

Additionally, all time as CFI is spent as PIC.

Not necessarily.

[aviatorrbt]

I have another logging question. Is this correct or incorrect... I can log time flying right seat in a plane that I am rated in.

I did not have time to look it up. THANKS~!

[charlie1017]

Originally Posted by aviatorrbt

I have another logging question. Is this correct or incorrect... I can log time flying right seat in a plane that I am rated in.

I did not have time to look it up. THANKS~!

Are you the only qualified pilot aboard the airplane?
If not, then I think you can only do this if you're a "required crewmember" (including flying the plane while the other guy is under the hood), or as a CFI. Maybe I'm wrong and should check the FAR's...

[MusketeerMan]

Originally Posted by MidlifeFlyer

Not necessarily.

When is it not?

[BuickCFI]

Originally Posted by MusketeerMan

When is it not?

we just had that discussion last month i think. one reason could be you don't have a valid medical.

[MidlifeFlyer]

Originally Posted by MusketeerMan

When is it not?

Just a few:

1. Not FAA qualified (no medical, no current BFR)
2. Not insurance qualified - the CFI acts as PIC, the insurance is void, so they keep the owner PIC
3. Chooses not to - insurance issues aside, the aircraft owner may insist that "In my airplane I am PIC." Seems reasonable.

I have one coming this weekend or next where I won't be PIC. I'm giving a FR to a pilot in his RV6A. I have (barely) enough time in one to know how to fly it and land it (I insisted before I agreed to do the FR) but he will =definitely= be the PIC during the flight.

Of course, that has zero to do with how those flights are logged.

[MidlifeFlyer]

Originally Posted by charlie1017

Are you the only qualified pilot aboard the airplane?
If not, then I think you can only do this if you're a "required crewmember" (including flying the plane while the other guy is under the hood), or as a CFI. Maybe I'm wrong and should check the FAR's...

I think he's asking where he can log the sole manipulator time from the right seat. If that's the question, the answer is, yes, of course you can. There's no FAA rule on which seat the sole manipulator has to sit in.

[aviatorrbt]

that is what i meant midlife flyer. thanks a lot!

[charlie1017]

Originally Posted by MidlifeFlyer

I think he's asking where he can log the sole manipulator time from the right seat. If that's the question, the answer is, yes, of course you can. There's no FAA rule on which seat the sole manipulator has to sit in.

Thanks for clearing it up Midlife