SLCC

[scottyboy75]

I heard rumors that SLCC is moving to muni 2 and now I see all their aircraft on our ramp. Are you guys moving here or whats the scoop. I thought UVSC was going to bring their a/c up to teach here.
Shane

[aloft]

Strictly rumot, but I had heard that SLCC is shutting down their aviation program and Air Center was picking up many of their students (and probably airplanes, too).

[scottyboy75]

I was looking at some of thier avionics; they have some stuff worth more than the planes. Digital HSI and Garmin 430's what is that 15,000 in just those two?
Shane

[newty]

Originally Posted by aloft

Strictly rumot, but I had heard that SLCC is shutting down their aviation program and Air Center was picking up many of their students (and probably airplanes, too).

Salmon Air shared a hangar with them in SLC and last time I flew which was about a month ago they had come in and cleaned out everything, planes were parked outside and our mechanic said they were shutting down. Don't know how it affects their current students.

[bdhill1979]

I know a guy that bought two of their airplanes for the Avionics alone.

Rumot is that the UVSC deal fell through not long after it became a rumot.

As far as I know the program is dead.

Hell we have gotten some of the students as far south as U77, and they dont know anything about what happened.

[scottyboy75]

It is sad to see that happen. Now the market is flooded with students with no home. Hope it works out.
Shane

[bdhill1979]

Originally Posted by scottyboy75

It is sad to see that happen. Now the market is flooded with students with no home. Hope it works out.
Shane

We got a ton of those from Cornerstone closing in PVU. Sucks bad for the students to have to get used to someplace else.

[scottyboy75]

I think since there are a surplus of students some will go to schools who wouldn't/shouldn't get them. I am thinking of one in BTF in particular.
Shane

[bdhill1979]

Originally Posted by scottyboy75

I think since there are a surplus of students some will go to schools who wouldn't/shouldn't get them. I am thinking of one in BTF in particular.
Shane

We actually have a few that drive all the way down here to not go to the one at BTF

[fly22]

I predict a tower soon at U42.

[bdhill1979]

U77 is not too far behind, of course like I always say,it will take a fatal midair for something to be done about it.

[newty]

Originally Posted by bdhill1979

U77 is not too far behind, of course like I always say,it will take a fatal midair for something to be done about it.

We got a tower at PVU without killing anyone! Now how we did it is another story, people should have been killed numerous times. How is life in Spanish? I may be down there on Fridays for a interview prep class, If I am I'll look for you

[scottyboy75]

We should be pretty close to a tower soon. I think we tend to have traffic flows close to PVU. I was there last week when a controller freaked on the mic because he had 5 aircraft in the pattern. Told us to leave the practice ILS and he might be able to sequence us in ten minutes. We headed home to U42 where we had 5 or 6 in the pattern without a tower.
Shane

[newty]

Originally Posted by scottyboy75

We should be pretty close to a tower soon. I think we tend to have traffic flows close to PVU. I was there last week when a controller freaked on the mic because he had 5 aircraft in the pattern. Told us to leave the practice ILS and he might be able to sequence us in ten minutes. We headed home to U42 where we had 5 or 6 in the pattern without a tower.
Shane

I spent plenty of time in the pre tower days at provo with upward of 11 in the pattern and several shooting practice approaches, man how I would have hated to be a coprorate pilot flying a GV into that airport. And yeah the tower guys at PVU tend to get a little pissy sometimes but who wouldn't dealing with all the traffic they get and all the students.

[bdhill1979]

Originally Posted by newty

We got a tower at PVU without killing anyone! Now how we did it is another story, people should have been killed numerous times. How is life in Spanish? I may be down there on Fridays for a interview prep class, If I am I'll look for you

The airline interview prep class with AK?

I will be on a trip to Show Low, AZ till around 3 then an instrument student till 5 ish, I should probably be around.

[newty]

Originally Posted by bdhill1979

The airline interview prep class with AK?

Yup
I'll look for you

[B]

SLCC program facts
1. Flight portion is now dead
2. Ground schools taught at the Meadowbrook campus
3. Aircraft auctioned today ( I think the school lost their a##)
4. UVSC deal fell through; students can fly at either Conerstone aviation or Aircenter (last I heard)
5. Students are better off at a flight school that will support them

[Tokyo007]

Here i'll give you the skinny on what happened to SLCC..


(in summary in a slightly sarcastic way)

UVSC: approaches SLCC and says "hey let's merge we'll save taxpayer money! And lower costs! Increase students and budget!"

SLCC: says "sure sounds like a great deal!"

UVSC: "ok.. you pay for the hanger at airport number 2..and the staff and we'll move some of our planes in provo to airport number 2! The rates willllllllll be a little higher because of maintenace flights but it won't be a big increase."

SLCC: "swell! No sweat on our part, student pays for the planes anyway!" (great idea! slcc thinks.. we'll lose liability for aging aircraft! perfect! This is our way out of it! They have an accident..not our plane! We can't get hurt!)

few months pass by... slcc aircraft are put up for auction..flying shuts down... staff are told they will be UVSC instructors now @ airport number 2 for a pay cut to $8 an hour.. right before the auction..banners and signs are made, students transfer money and credits over..... student loans are taken out for new students...and then RIIIGHT BEFORE THE MOVE IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN...

UVSC: "ooohh.. you know what slcc? We.. you know.. we've thought about it and we've changed our mind.. we're not doing that little deal. Forget everything about after we said hello. Sorry about that."

SLCC: "that's cool, we didn't want the liability anyway but don't tell the students that..they've been writing everyone from AOPA, local news, representatives, they're really raising havoc with us making the president look bad.. they're trying to save that 141 program they love. We didn't expect that. We just don't want to support it honestly because you're down there and we can spend money on other things so let's just agree to be quiet on this one, kick it under the rug and act like it never happened"

UVSC: *pumps fist* yah! only flight school in the state they can go to now for a degree and fly haha! They'll drive 45 min. to the prozac captial of the world because they'll have to!!

all instructors laid off, aircraft sold for a fraction of what they were bought so there goes some taxpayer money/tuition right there (example 2001 IFR $112K alarus sold today for $30K like "B" said, and now some people now think it was UVSC's plan all along to blow up SLCC aviation program in the first place. Students left stranded. No real college flying option in the salt lake valley but distance learning is available from happy valley now UVU provo.


Poo sucks on UVSC and poo sucks with highly polished knobs on for what SLCC did.

Ah I feel better now.

[bdhill1979]

Originally Posted by Matthew_Chidester

and now some people now think it was UVSC's plan all along to blow up SLCC aviation program in the first place.

They have been fighting our existence since day 1, and we are a private business, some real class acts running that operation.

Your tax dollars funding an ego trip.

[Tokyo007]

yeah.. ask any ex-SLCC student what they think of UVSC and they'll tell you..

TRASH.

It *might* be a good program and I haven't flown there...I don't know and it's probably not best for me where I am career wise to be bashing them openly but they screwed up and screwed many people up. Both did but UVSC especially. Our instructors were making near $21 an hour...students loved the planes - people were happy and we made a profit. One of the only maybe 2 if that or 1 141 school in the country at a class B airport and we had high pass rates.

UVSC instructors at the time of talks made $8.50 an hour i'm not sure what they make now.. flew in provo which is 45 min. to the south of salt lake city and royally screwed up ~20 faculty and staff +100 students and left them all high and dry.

Not a whole lotta love for them. And you're right about admin down there.. tax dollars funding them more than ever. It was a perfect way to get rid of the compition and SLCC's president and board of regents was happy to help.

**oh and sorry we went *poof* on you upper limit avation guys.. it sounded like a great partnership but we got torpedoed by provo.

[scottyboy75]

The Upper Limit deal seemed a bit screwy anyways. I left there a year ago when I realized they were cranking out ppl's in just under 80hrs. They got the contract because of their 141 status but not one of their students went through under the 141 syllabus. Long story short I started there in 05 with 75 hrs and a ppl. Left there in Dec 06 with a ppl and 100 hrs and a lot of their excuses as to why they couldn't fly me. I flew at Utah helicopter at #2 and in 8 months knocked out my Inst, Comm, CFI, II.
Shane

[Tokyo007]

Yeah I wasn't familar with upper limits program details until the very last days of our school so i'm not familiar with what they were doing..but then again I didn't hear a whole lot of any rumors or feedback on them. I sure did get mass calls of people trying to find their number all day as I was one of the dispatchers at SLCC.

But yeah I'm glad you moved on to a faster program, sounds like you made the right move! I feel bad for our ex-students, and i've kept in touch with a ton of them. They're finding out how good they had it real quick because the private FBO's are more expensive and not a whole lot of structure to them.

Oh well, keep pushing ahead in the field of aviation.

PS thanks Doug for changing my user name. True I have nothing to hide but.. ehh.. maybe after I get on my feet as a CFI i'll come out of hiding. I know many read this site (which is a good one by the way!)