Turbine P210

[bdhill1979]

My boss just called me and he is considering trading in our T210G for a Turbine powered P210, I believe with the Rolls Royce turbine.

Since I have no experience with this I told him I would do some homework and call him back.

Any experience with these? Any things to look for in a possible purchase? Pitfalls?

Any thought are welcome.

[trafficinsight]

If it's the "Silver Eagle" conversion I talked to a guy that owned one... he said it was fun, made a lot of cool noise, and was marginally more reliable... but in the end it wasn't that much better than a regular P210

And I believe it has an Allison 250 series.

[bdhill1979]

Originally Posted by trafficinsight

If it's the "Silver Eagle" conversion I talked to a guy that owned one... he said it was fun, made a lot of cool noise, and was marginally more reliable... but in the end it wasn't that much better than a regular P210

And I believe it has an Allison 250 series.

There is a guy at our airport with the Silver Eagle conversion, I wasn't impressed with the performance he was getting out of it, especially with the cost of conversion.


I don't think he is talking about a converted one, but I really have no idea.

[ASpilot2be]

Dont have any experience with them, but I saw one at the airport here with a Rolls Royce sticker on. Sounds like it would be a fun airplane to fly

[Berkut]

Originally Posted by bdhill1979

I don't think he is talking about a converted one

There isn't any other kind, is there?

[DE727UPS]

No.

[bdhill1979]

Originally Posted by Berkut

There isn't any other kind, is there?

Originally Posted by DE727UPS

No.

Thanks

I was aware of the silver eagle with the Allison, but had never heard of a Rolls Royce engined version.

Does the RR give better performance than the Allison?

we are going to go look at the airplane this week, I would like to know as much about it before looking at the airplane.

[bdhill1979]

OK O&N Aircraft website calls the Allison a Rolls Royce, so I guess there is only one option

[NJA_Capt]

Originally Posted by bdhill1979

I was aware of the silver eagle with the Allison, but had never heard of a Rolls Royce engined version.

Does the RR give better performance than the Allison?

Allison IS Rolls-Royce. RR acquired Allison in 1994.

[JDE]

I don't know much of anything about them, but I do remember when I was working the line a guy flew to Salina, KS from VNY and had his flight plan filed from Salina to TEB in the Turbine 210. I'm not sure why one would want to fly that long in such a little thing, but that's pretty good range. I don't know if that's typical or not. It was a neat looking plane though.

[JayAre]

From what Ive studied and researched about the silver eagle its a sweet machine for 700K to a cool mill. It peters out in the lower flight level because the engine is really a built for helicpopter. He better do the research on the insurance its going to be tough. There is an owners forum somewhere on the internet so good info also. You can't have the extened tip tanks and certified known ice the boots only go out so far. Is he looking at Century Equip's in SLC?

[E6BAV8R]

I'd much rather go for the Lancair Propjet, imo.

[bdhill1979]

Originally Posted by JayAre

From what Ive studied and researched about the silver eagle its a sweet machine for 700K to a cool mill. It peters out in the lower flight level because the engine is really a built for helicpopter. He better do the research on the insurance its going to be tough. There is an owners forum somewhere on the internet so good info also. You can't have the extened tip tanks and certified known ice the boots only go out so far. Is he looking at Century Equip's in SLC?

No its one at U77, and he is asking for a lot less than that.

Insurance would require 50 hours in the aircraft, probably with an instructor, which the boss will pay for.

Basically it is a step up from what we have, and he is not ready to buy the Pilatus he is dreaming of, that is probably a few years off.

[bdhill1979]

Originally Posted by E6BAV8R

I'd much rather go for the Lancair Propjet, imo.

too small, he wants at least 6 seats

[crazynut52]

Not that I have ever flown a Turbine 210, but I will give you what I know....

I have been to O&N twice in the last month, they are doing some work on the P210 I fly.

What these guys do is incredible. They take a P210 and completely refurbish it, (remove the wings, the wiring the panel.... everything. They even polish the firewall back to its original shine) They then install the Turbine.

On the other hand... the airframe is just not designed for a turbine. You can expect to see speeds in the 210-215 knots. Because the cabin only is 3.25 psi differential, you can't really get high enough to take advantage of the efficiency of a turbine. At FL230, the cabin is at 12k feet.

So my opinion is look for something else, why not a Piper Meridian, at least that was designed for a turbine....

[deadstick]

I believe the the 250 was originally used as an irrigation pump motor. Altitude was never a factor. I can see temp becoming an issue and taking extra air for pressurization.

And for that $700-1M, you are still getting a 21+ y/o airframe.

He wants _6_ seats...and still wants a P210? How about the W/B factors of the Silver Eagle and filling all the seats? I have no idea, just asking. But the -C20J (420 HP, derated to 317HP max power, 270 HP MCP) in a BH206B3 burned about 25 gph of a heavier fuel.

[SpiraMirabilis]

$600k is a lot for a conversion. I've flown a P210 (piston) and ehh... I mean it was a nice aircraft and everything but it wasn't anything super nice. I'd imagine the turboprop is just a suped up version of it. Like other people have said -- you could get a used (but still late model) Meridian or (slightly older) PC-12 for about $1mil.

If money was no object I'd say go with the TBM850.