New events at American Eagle

[Firebird2XC]

Taken from AirlinePilotCentral.com:

• TA reached for flowthrough to American
• All jet captains senior to the most junior jet captain on Apr 30, 2008 will receive American Airlines seniority numbers
• Recruitment & Retention LOA also announced; provides financial incentives for new-hires and current pilots

That's right kids... Incentives AND a flowthrough.

To all of you who supported my decision and application to AE, THANK YOU.

To those of you who called me stupid for leaving CJC...

WHO'S LAUGHING NOW??


That's RIGHT KIDS!


... that, and it's DAMNED GOOD to be back in Dallas.


I had lunch at Bone Daddy's today. Ahh, the curvy goodness that slings beer there.

I start at AE on Monday and I CANNOT FREAKING WAIT.

Anybody in town (DFW) tonight?

[Aero_Engineer]

Best of luck to you, AE is actually one of the companies I would like to fly for.

[casey]

Originally Posted by Firebird2XC

AND a flowthrough.

which wont apply to you, unless you or someone junior to you manages to upgrade and complete captain OE in a jet in the next 6 months.

[averyrm]

Bone Daddy's is the single best thing about Texas (judging from my short stay there)

[tprops4me]

So if you are a Saab captain you are out of luck? Also if you are not a captain by the above date you ar out of luck? Seems good for the jet captains, but just another day for everyone else. Might improve upgrade, but American still has like 2000 on the waiting to return list. From what I understand they have to come back first. What if AMR sells off Eagle?

[Bigey]

Originally Posted by casey

which wont apply to you, unless you or someone junior to you manages to upgrade and complete captain OE in a jet in the next 6 months.

Yeah i'm confused with the TA?

[Kristie]

from what i'm understanding...unless you are a jet captain now or BY april 30, 2008..you are simply SOL on the whole flowthrough agreement. plus, i thought AMR had to bring back the furloughs first before allowing flowthrough? which again, this TA might just be a whole lotta hot air if that's the case.

[Seggy]

Flowthrough agreements suck in general.

Not worth the ink and paper they are printed on.

[mtsu_av8er]

Let's eat the babies!

[SmitteyB]

Originally Posted by Firebird2XC

Taken from AirlinePilotCentral.com:

• TA reached for flowthrough to American
• All jet captains senior to the most junior jet captain on Apr 30, 2008 will receive American Airlines seniority numbers
• Recruitment & Retention LOA also announced; provides financial incentives for new-hires and current pilots

That's right kids... Incentives AND a flowthrough.

To all of you who supported my decision and application to AE, THANK YOU.

To those of you who called me stupid for leaving CJC...

WHO'S LAUGHING NOW??


That's RIGHT KIDS!


... that, and it's DAMNED GOOD to be back in Dallas.


I had lunch at Bone Daddy's today. Ahh, the curvy goodness that slings beer there.

I start at AE on Monday and I CANNOT FREAKING WAIT.

Anybody in town (DFW) tonight?

Why are you so excited about this? You won't see it! You wont be a jet captain until probably...2012?

Firebird- how many hours do you have now? Didn't you get hired at CJC with a wet certificate? 290 hours, right?

Good luck.

BTW- I love how you gave me grief about wanting to live near home and you leave Colgan to go to an airline that has a base...NEAR HOME.

[MQAAord]

Originally Posted by Kristie

from what i'm understanding...unless you are a jet captain now or BY april 30, 2008..you are simply SOL on the whole flowthrough agreement. plus, i thought AMR had to bring back the furloughs first before allowing flowthrough? which again, this TA might just be a whole lotta hot air if that's the case.

Yeah, that's pretty much it! I can pretty much guarantee that if you're a new-hire, you will not flowthrough under this agreement.

[zmiller4]

Originally Posted by Seggy

Flowthrough agreements suck in general.

Not worth the ink and paper they are printed on.

What Seggy said.

I'm personally amazed that anyone at Eagle is very excited about this, considering how well the last flow through worked for them. And any jet captain will be taking a big pay cut and QOL hit to go to AA.

As for "financial incentives", they're needed. I made more at the dreaded $19/hr at Skw than I did at almost 24/hr at Eagle due to superior work rules. It would also be awesome if they decided to stop charging pilots to nonrev on their own airline.

To the original poster: I'm glad you're excited about your new job, but I wouldn't chug the kool-aid that hard yet. Eagle may be a great place to work in the future, but there's still a lot of people leaving the place.

[BenWlson]

Originally Posted by averyrm

Bone Daddy's is the single best thing about Texas (judging from my short stay there)

Skoot's next door to Bone Daddy's has some pretty steep competition. I think it's even owned by the same people. I currently work right across the highway from those two places and a few of my lunch dollars have gone there.

[Airdale]

One man's Hell is another mans Heaven.


Best of luck to you dude, but it really seems like you're chugging that company Kool Aid a little too fast.

[kellwolf]

Good news for the jet CAs (and a big ole shaft to the Saab guys apparently). No change for new hires, though. Odds are you can get hired somewhere else by the time you could flow through to American. They'll have to bring back all the furloughs before they start flowing through from Eagle, and last I heard there were a lot. Then there's probably a restriction on the amount of flow throughs in each class at AA. So if it's a class of, say, 10, only 3 might be from Eagle. The other 7 are off the street.

If you want to work for American and that's it, this might be a good deal if you're willing to work for Eagle for about a decade. Otherwise, you'd probably be able to get on anywhere else in less time.

[H46Bubba]

Just remember, what flows up can come back down two folds including AA pilots!

[Firebird2XC]

Originally Posted by SmitteyB

Why are you so excited about this? You won't see it! You wont be a jet captain until probably...2012?

Firebird- how many hours do you have now? Didn't you get hired at CJC with a wet certificate? 290 hours, right?

Good luck.

BTW- I love how you gave me grief about wanting to live near home and you leave Colgan to go to an airline that has a base...NEAR HOME.

I'm excited about this because it frees up stagnation for me to upgrade.

Ya'll must think I really am that blind.

I don't expect this to flow me up to mainline- I can read. What I DO expect is to start a trend of upward movement that improves my situation as AA pilots retire in droves. I also expect it a good sign that AMR isn't selling Eagle. It's using it as a pilot reservoir.

There are alot of tell-tale signs that say I made a good move and things are steadily improving.
I'm just amused at all the nay-sayers talking when I left CJC.. because Eagle had no improving trend. As far as I can tell, I'll be on the initial surge of steady improvements.

It's all about timing and a little vision. Seems to me everybody's focusing on the here-and-now and not seeing that at the rate this industry fluctuates you need to focus on next week.


Smittey:
As for a base 'near home'.. this happens to be where I grew up, but isn't home at all. I'm full-on relocating... AND NOT LIVING WITH MY PARENTS like some 'other' HOMEBASERS.

I'm excited about the pay incentives.. and the chance to live in a place that's not some western NY s***hole with mommy and daddy while working for an airline that doesn't pay enough to do anything else.

Here, a grown-up type can make enough to call his own shots and the economy will support it.

As for my 'wet certificate', it was nearly 400 hours when I got hired, and 850+ now. Tacked on to nearly a decade of other experiences as a flight crewmember, piles of mechanical experience, and other operational situations.. er.. yeah. I don't want crap from some newbie who thinks he knows me. Get bent.

I called you out for drinking the company Kool-Aid, and you still don't get it.

As for Airdale.. well... I think it's funny you got smack to talk about somebody who actually DID what you've been wailing about for months. I got two words for ya, buddy:

[Firebird2XC]

Originally Posted by Airdale

One man's Hell is another mans Heaven.


Best of luck to you dude, but it really seems like you're chugging that company Kool Aid a little too fast.

I'd be happy to walk in your resume when you see the light.



Frankly, if I'm gonna chug the Kool-Aid.. at least it's not CJC.

They were, after all, the ones handing out Pinnacle Propaganda and sippy cups in training.

[mikecweb]

Wow.
Just. Wow.

[mastermags]

I like your signature, Mikecweb

[meritflyer]

Originally Posted by Firebird2XC

I'd be happy to walk in your resume when you see the light.



Frankly, if I'm gonna chug the Kool-Aid.. at least it's not CJC.

They were, after all, the ones handing out Pinnacle Propaganda and sippy cups in training.

Flow through agreements have never done anything positive. Lets hope American doesn't experience any hard times and the "flow throughs" flow back. Just ask any ExpressJet/CAL pilot who was involved in their flow through back in the day.

This wont benefit you whatsoever, even with your theory of stagnation. Eagle will be on their own within the next few years, no questions asked. It makes zero sense for AMR to hold onto a regional when they could get more competitive rates and bids from other carriers. Not to mention the costs of Eagle's seriously aging, weight restricted fleet.

Let me quote your CEO, Gerard Arpey's comments from just 10 days ago..

"It may make sense for us to set Eagle free to grow its business."

Enjoy Eagle!

[Doug Taylor]

Flowthru/flowback are actually beneficial, depending on your perspective.

I have a friend that was hired at Continental Express, prior to being renamed Expressjet, that was able to move on to Continental. Continental started to furlough so he was able to return to his last job as a ERJ captain, with seniority, then was able to go back to CAL during the recall.

Flowthru and flowbacks help and may actually help you, but you have to look at it in the "macro".

I don't care how dandy your career has been or whatever projections your requisite company is bragging about, that guy flowing back to the regional may be you one day!

[meritflyer]

Originally Posted by Firebird2XC

Smittey:
As for a base 'near home'.. this happens to be where I grew up, but isn't home at all. I'm full-on relocating... AND NOT LIVING WITH MY PARENTS like some 'other' HOMEBASERS.

I'm excited about the pay incentives.. and the chance to live in a place that's not some western NY s***hole with mommy and daddy while working for an airline that doesn't pay enough to do anything else.

Here, a grown-up type can make enough to call his own shots and the economy will support it.

Get real Firebird.

This has to be one of the worst cases of "look at me, I am an airline pilot" I've ever seen.

[meritflyer]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Continental started to furlough so he was able to return to his last job as a ERJ captain, with seniority, then was able to go back to CAL during the recall.

I think this is personally a joke. We had guys who had never set foot in a 145 as either a FO or CA and came back as a CA since they got a XJT seniority number the day they started CAL. When they "flowed" back, they pushed CA's back to the right seat who had actually been XJT FO's and earned their CA slot.

From what I understand, they [the new CA's] were everyones' favorite.

[Doug Taylor]

I'm only speaking about the guy who I personally knew that benefitted from the agreement between CAL and CAL Express. All of the political wrangling and such behind the scenes is farily typical. Seriously. A LOT of people went to Express, attracted by the notion of being able to get a job at CAL almost automagically. But loads of the same people didn't realize that it's a two-way street and thought it was the end of days.

If you want to look at another (unofficlal) flow thru but didn't involve people going from mainline to captain spots at the regional, check out the relationship between Delta and ASA. Delta furloughed, ASA took a buttload of furloughed Delta pilots (whereas Comair told them to beat it). Now when Delta finally started hiring again, a vast majority of new hires were ASA pilots.

You can't swing a dead marmot around the training center these days without knocking out a former ASA pilot.