Oakland Tracon New Hires Quitting

mpv broker · September 17th, 2007, 14:03

This was in the news last week in the Bay Area, 14 new hires have quit at Oakland Tracon, making me think twice... the 10 hour days 6 days a week sounds too brutal even for 60k in the first year!

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...cal&id=5652922

surreal1221 · September 17th, 2007, 14:46

Well, there is no such thing as Oakland TRACON . . .it's Norcal Tracon.

Unless of course, you meant Oakland ARTCC?

Furthermore, they are not the only facility with newbies running for the door(s) after a few weeks.

But, hey, glad you see it, and I'm glad news outfits are starting to provide more news on the subject. Sad part, is that there are enough guys and gals out there who - much like another area of this industry - don't care, and just want the job. No matter what the cost is on the profession.

akaFlyboy 4 · September 17th, 2007, 14:48

Heavens to Murgatroyd!! This phrase will tell your age, if you remeber what show it came from. Sorry I could not resist.

mpv broker · September 17th, 2007, 16:10

Oakland Air Route Traffic Control Center in Fremont....

i stand corrected

SkyCougar · September 17th, 2007, 17:09

I heard that report Friday morning as I was driving to work. In that report, they kept bringing up the cost of living in the Bay Area, and how they couldn't make it here on that salary.

Velocipede · September 17th, 2007, 18:50

That would probably be it. They can go work a tower in someplace like BTM and live like kings!

Maximillian_Jenius · September 17th, 2007, 19:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by akaFlyboy 4

Heavens to Murgatroyd!! This phrase will tell your age, if you remeber what show it came from. Sorry I could not resist.

Snaggletooth! He was an early pioneer of his time!

Nick · September 17th, 2007, 19:42

Velocipede -

Part of me would rather be poor and living in downtown San Francisco than rich in Butte, Montana.

aviatormar · September 18th, 2007, 02:22

No Nick, the true meaning of contentment is living at Sierra Academy, in Atwater, like a Prince.

Maximillian_Jenius · September 18th, 2007, 02:47

I'm all for getting ATC pay rates up back up to the A scale, or better.

We talked bout this last week over on that "other" site. And a controller at the NorCal location stated that the couple in the article were both making $60k.

So that's $120k combined, and you're tellin me they couldn't live on that salary in SF.

I understand that they were promised more, and I be pissed too, if the company didn't keep their word, hell I'd probably leave too.

I more or less just want confirmation that $120k is unliveable in the Oakland/SF area, cause if so...damn!

Other than that, get the pay and work rules back where they need to be for our valuable ATC peeps!

av8sean · September 18th, 2007, 03:25

You can live on $96k in Oakland. A nice condo is $2k a month, you'd still have $3k a month for car, food, etc.....

SkyCougar · September 18th, 2007, 09:46

Max, 2 people can easily live on $120K here. If they can't, they have financial issues, and better learn not to spend,spend,spend.

I'm all for ATC getting their deserved pay, and reduced hours though. Where can I sign a petition for them?

eastbayk · September 18th, 2007, 10:08

Hmmm, I was making ends meet as a single parent in Oakland on just less than $40k/year in 2005. It's not impossible. Anyone who makes more than that and complains needs to quit whining and be thankful they make what they do!

K

surreal1221 · September 18th, 2007, 10:13

Alright guys. . . I don't think they are complaining about the cost of living in the area. Let's not blur that line.

They are complaining, and rightfully so, because the FAA has reneged on what they said years ago would be wages, and then go and change them to save a buck.

The FAA says that they did this to bring controller wages in line with other FAA employees. But you know what - don't think for a second that a controller's job is anywhere near as relaxing as any other FAA employee's job.

Skycougar, you can visit www.natca.org for more information. Calling you elected federal officials would also do wonders.

SkyCougar · September 18th, 2007, 10:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by surreal1221

Alright guys. . . I don't think they are complaining about the cost of living in the area. Let's not blur that line.

They are complaining, and rightfully so, because the FAA has reneged on what they said years ago would be wages, and then go and change them to save a buck.

The FAA says that they did this to bring controller wages in line with other FAA employees. But you know what - don't think for a second that a controller's job is anywhere near as relaxing as any other FAA employee's job.

Skycougar, you can visit www.natca.org for more information. Calling you elected federal officials would also do wonders.

That's why I asked if there was any petition or anything else the public can do. Taking the story to the public and educating the masses is a good thing. Pilots should do the same. Having that story blast across the Bay Area radio waves during rush hour was a good thing for the cause - people heard it.

Foxcow · September 18th, 2007, 12:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick

Velocipede -

Part of me would rather be poor and living in downtown San Francisco than rich in Butte, Montana.

Can this man get an amen? Amen! All of me would rather be poor in SFO than live in Montana.

Ralgha · September 18th, 2007, 13:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foxcow

Can this man get an amen? Amen! All of me would rather be poor in SFO than live in Montana.

All of me would rather live anywhere but California.

September 17th, 2007, 14:03	#1
mpv broker Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 36	Oakland Tracon New Hires Quitting This was in the news last week in the Bay Area, 14 new hires have quit at Oakland Tracon, making me think twice... the 10 hour days 6 days a week sounds too brutal even for 60k in the first year! http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...cal&id=5652922

September 17th, 2007, 14:46	#2
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 8,818	Re: Oakland Tracon New Hires Quitting Well, there is no such thing as Oakland TRACON . . .it's Norcal Tracon. Unless of course, you meant Oakland ARTCC? Furthermore, they are not the only facility with newbies running for the door(s) after a few weeks. But, hey, glad you see it, and I'm glad news outfits are starting to provide more news on the subject. Sad part, is that there are enough guys and gals out there who - much like another area of this industry - don't care, and just want the job. No matter what the cost is on the profession. __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \| The TRoP \| Rmble On \| ALPA \|

September 17th, 2007, 14:48	#3
akaFlyboy 4 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 266	Re: Oakland Tracon New Hires Quitting Heavens to Murgatroyd!! This phrase will tell your age, if you remeber what show it came from. Sorry I could not resist.

September 17th, 2007, 16:10	#4
mpv broker Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 36	Re: Oakland Tracon New Hires Quitting Oakland Air Route Traffic Control Center in Fremont.... i stand corrected

September 17th, 2007, 17:09	#5
SkyCougar Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SFO Posts: 3,912	Re: Oakland Tracon New Hires Quitting I heard that report Friday morning as I was driving to work. In that report, they kept bringing up the cost of living in the Bay Area, and how they couldn't make it here on that salary.

September 17th, 2007, 18:50	#6
Velocipede Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 2,451	Re: Oakland Tracon New Hires Quitting That would probably be it. They can go work a tower in someplace like BTM and live like kings! __________________ "Humankind cannot stand very much reality." - T.S. Eliot

September 17th, 2007, 19:42	#8
Nick Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,214	Re: Oakland Tracon New Hires Quitting Velocipede - Part of me would rather be poor and living in downtown San Francisco than rich in Butte, Montana. __________________ Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress in this period in history.

September 18th, 2007, 02:22	#9
aviatormar Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 73	Re: Oakland Tracon New Hires Quitting No Nick, the true meaning of contentment is living at Sierra Academy, in Atwater, like a Prince.

September 18th, 2007, 02:47	#10
Maximillian_Jenius Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: KPHX, KFFZ, KIWA Posts: 18,711	Re: Oakland Tracon New Hires Quitting I'm all for getting ATC pay rates up back up to the A scale, or better. We talked bout this last week over on that "other" site. And a controller at the NorCal location stated that the couple in the article were both making $60k. So that's $120k combined, and you're tellin me they couldn't live on that salary in SF. I understand that they were promised more, and I be pissed too, if the company didn't keep their word, hell I'd probably leave too. I more or less just want confirmation that $120k is unliveable in the Oakland/SF area, cause if so...damn! Other than that, get the pay and work rules back where they need to be for our valuable ATC peeps! __________________ Rear Admiral www.gayviator.com Maximillian Pegasus

September 18th, 2007, 03:25	#11
av8sean Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto/DTW Posts: 481	Re: Oakland Tracon New Hires Quitting You can live on $96k in Oakland. A nice condo is $2k a month, you'd still have $3k a month for car, food, etc.....

September 18th, 2007, 09:46	#12
SkyCougar Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SFO Posts: 3,912	Re: Oakland Tracon New Hires Quitting Max, 2 people can easily live on $120K here. If they can't, they have financial issues, and better learn not to spend,spend,spend. I'm all for ATC getting their deserved pay, and reduced hours though. Where can I sign a petition for them?

September 18th, 2007, 10:08	#13
eastbayk Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 158	Re: Oakland Tracon New Hires Quitting Hmmm, I was making ends meet as a single parent in Oakland on just less than $40k/year in 2005. It's not impossible. Anyone who makes more than that and complains needs to quit whining and be thankful they make what they do! K __________________ "If it has boobs or wheels, sooner or later you're going to have trouble with it" The flyblog from the other half- http://ohthelifeofapilotswife.blogspot.com/

September 18th, 2007, 10:13	#14
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 8,818	Re: Oakland Tracon New Hires Quitting Alright guys. . . I don't think they are complaining about the cost of living in the area. Let's not blur that line. They are complaining, and rightfully so, because the FAA has reneged on what they said years ago would be wages, and then go and change them to save a buck. The FAA says that they did this to bring controller wages in line with other FAA employees. But you know what - don't think for a second that a controller's job is anywhere near as relaxing as any other FAA employee's job. Skycougar, you can visit www.natca.org for more information. Calling you elected federal officials would also do wonders. __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \| The TRoP \| Rmble On \| ALPA \|

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