Age 65 will be in place within two months

[Velocipede]

Originally Posted by 777forever

2 months? Where did you get this news from? Can you post a source? Last time I read Blakely said it would take at least 2 years to implement the age 65 change. I don't see it happening this fast.

Marion was talking about changing the rule via the FAA rulemaking procedure. By the time you issue an NPRM, have a comment period and make the rule you're talking 18 months MINIMUM.

This is legislation. If it comes down from Congress, it could be enacted much more quickly. Two months would be about right from final passage to implementation.

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by Boom Boom

Part of the problem w/ age 65 for us Trash Haulers, flying back side of the clock is hard on the body now do it for 5 more years and walla, retire at 65 then die at 66... I would rather retire at 60 and die from liver desease drinking Margaritas at some carribian location then 1 year out of the cockpit!

Also look at wages.. Not only have they not gone up but gone down.. So if it takes 5 more years as an F/O; 5 more years will never make up for the $$$ lost due to compounding interest (assuming some investment), the amount of your retirement fund, inflation, etc.. Your money loses its purchasing power over time...

I think I remember talking to a FedEx JSer last year, and didn't they do a study comparing the guys retiring at 60 to guys retiring at 55? Seems I recall the guys that retired earlier lived longer.

[Boom Boom]

I think I remember talking to a FedEx JSer last year, and didn't they do a study comparing the guys retiring at 60 to guys retiring at 55? Seems I recall the guys that retired earlier lived longer.

Heard something to the same effect but never actually seen it in writing.. You KNOW if the company did the study, WE will NEVER see it..

Here is a link with a study of retirement age as pertains longevity:
http://faculty.kfupm.edu.sa/coe/gutu...sc/retire1.htm

[LoadMasterC141]

So after doing a bit of research, I found out that
A) Yes it is "Grandfathered" IE...No one already past 60 can come back.
B) The senate hass passed the bill so far. It still has to make it through the house and the Prez. Dubya is threatening to veto because of ATC Controller stuff.

Still has a bit to go.

[Velocipede]

Yep. And while the Senate can muster the votes to override a veto, the House cannot.

It still could be a couple years before the rule goes through the FAA hoops. But, I guarantee you it will. ICAO has seen to that.

[LoadMasterC141]

Oh sure nothing stands in the way of that but time. I just hope it is sooner than later personally.

[Velocipede]

Doesn't matter to me, either. However, later would clear about 100 seniority numbers out from in front of me. LOL!

[HRDiva]

Originally Posted by LoadMasterC141

So after doing a bit of research, I found out that
It still has to make it through the house and the Prez. Dubya is threatening to veto because of ATC Controller stuff.

Still has a bit to go.

Not quite. It already passed the House in July. It goes to conference committee and then on for signature.

[ready2fly]

Originally Posted by PCL_128

There are still 2400 furloughed pilots from AMR that are waiting for the geezers to retire so they can get their jobs back. Now they'll be waiting 5 years longer. Many of them aren't "younger guys." They've been in this business for many years and are in their forties or even fifties.

EDIT: (upon further review on my part)
While AMR does still have about 2400 pilots on review, AMR announced that they will be STEPPING UP the number of pilots they recall.

So, as far as I know, nobody is "waiting on the old geezers" to retire.

[BobDDuck]

Those TDubbers coming back is going to make for some interesting cockpit dynamics.

[stuckingfk]

Originally Posted by ready2fly

EDIT: (upon further review on my part)
While AMR does still have about 2400 pilots on review, AMR announced that they will be STEPPING UP the number of pilots they recall.

So, as far as I know, nobody is "waiting on the old geezers" to retire.

I personally know one furlough from AA and he's not even close to being recalled. He thinks it will be another 5-7 years.

[Velocipede]

Originally Posted by ready2fly

EDIT: (upon further review on my part)
While AMR does still have about 2400 pilots on...

Looks like you need to get over on the "AA story" thread and do some editing and apologizing as well.

[ready2fly]

Editing, yes.

Apologizing? No.

My response to you was not agressive or inciteful. If you took offense, then that's your cross to bear because you misread my intentions.

I made a mistake in my initial response. To err is human. I won't apologize for it though.

[ready2fly]

Originally Posted by stuckingfk

I personally know one furlough from AA and he's not even close to being recalled. He thinks it will be another 5-7 years.

Depends really. If AA is planning on recalling approximately 50 per month (which is the latest number forecasted), and an average of 4-7 out of every 10 called declines....then your friend will be back sooner then he thinks.

That said: In the "AA Story" thread, I said that all the flow-backs are back with AA. That statement is true.

Also in that thread I said that AMR is trying to decide how to bring the "flow-through" and TWA pilots on board - soon. That statement is also true.

From an http://aviation.beloblog.com/archive...e_of_pilo.html article:

American steps up rate of pilot recalls

American Airlines will recall 50 furloughed pilots in October, splitting them into two 25-pilot training classes. That's the most recalls for a month since American began recalling pilots late last year.
American began recalling pilots last October, with the first class of 10 starting in January. It's slowly been ratcheting the number up since then, mainly to replace pilots who retire or quit.
According to the Allied Pilots Association, the airline still has 2,570 pilots on furlough. At its peak, the furlough list was over 2,800 pilots.

There are almost as many American Airlines pilots who have deferred coming back as have accepted their recall.
According to stats I've seen from their seniority list, 251 American Airlines pilots had been recalled as of July, but 239 others have deferred their recall.

[PCL_128]

Originally Posted by ready2fly

EDIT: (upon further review on my part)
While AMR does still have about 2400 pilots on review, AMR announced that they will be STEPPING UP the number of pilots they recall.

So, as far as I know, nobody is "waiting on the old geezers" to retire.

The projected recall numbers are based on age-60 retirements. AMR has no growth, so all recalls come from retirement attrition. If Age-65 becomes reality, then those 50/mo recalls come to a halt for a while.

[Chris_Ford]

Originally Posted by ready2fly

Editing, yes.

Apologizing? No.

My response to you was not agressive or inciteful. If you took offense, then that's your cross to bear because you misread my intentions.

I made a mistake in my initial response. To err is human. I won't apologize for it though.

You've been awfully testy lately.

[Mr_Creepy]

Quit talking about Stan's testes. Bad visual.


Stan I can see that you are starting to get some experience behind you, I can see the AMR "piss off" factor has affected you once or twice

As long as you keep a good outlook AMR won't get you down, and can be somewhat enjoyable. It's probably best to stay out of the politics over there for as long as you can!

[ready2fly]

Originally Posted by Mr_Creepy

Quit talking about Stan's testes. Bad visual.


Stan I can see that you are starting to get some experience behind you, I can see the AMR "piss off" factor has affected you once or twice

As long as you keep a good outlook AMR won't get you down, and can be somewhat enjoyable. It's probably best to stay out of the politics over there for as long as you can!

Thanks, JT, but in all honestly, - right now as I write this post (and actually for a few weeks now) - the AMR "piss off" factor hasn't affected me that much.

I've pretty much stayed out of the crew room lately and you know what? The less time I spend down there, the better mood I'm in at the end of the day.

Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

You've been awfully testy lately.

Guess it depends on what side of the keyboard you're on.

[Tram]

Wow.. 2 months.. Rock on..

I can't wait..

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Boom Boom

Also look at wages.. Not only have they not gone up but gone down.. So if it takes 5 more years as an F/O; 5 more years will never make up for the $$$ lost due to compounding interest (assuming some investment), the amount of your retirement fund, inflation, etc.. Your money loses its purchasing power over time...

That's just aviation....learn to embrace it.

[Boom Boom]

That's just aviation....learn to embrace it.

Nope.. Use to here that in the Navy.. Tons of "deal with it"; "it has always been this way", "yada, yada..."

It isn't aviation. It is a function of the economy and more inportantly the Baby Boomers whom have contributed nothing to society... Breaking Social Security, Medicare and now they want more..

To fight the man is rebellious.. To question the man is just good old common sense! Freedom of speech is in the Bill of Rights.. Freedom of thought is in the Bible...

Acceptance is the first rule of communism.. Thinking, questioning and debating is what makes Democracies work.. Checks and balances!!!
BB Out

[surreal1221]

Wow. . .Boom Boom. Very well said.

[killbilly]

Originally Posted by Seggy

Ahhh, I think the veto would be a mute point because didn't it pass like 88 to 12?

"Moot" point, son. "Moot."

[Tram]

Originally Posted by killbilly

"Moot" point, son. "Moot."

Depends, maybe he was listening to the point and hit the appropriate button..

[ready2fly]

Originally Posted by Boom Boom

Nope.. Use to here that in the Navy.. Tons of "deal with it"; "it has always been this way", "yada, yada..."

It isn't aviation. It is a function of the economy and more inportantly the Baby Boomers whom have contributed nothing to society... Breaking Social Security, Medicare and now they want more..

To fight the man is rebellious.. To question the man is just good old common sense! Freedom of speech is in the Bill of Rights.. Freedom of thought is in the Bible...

Acceptance is the first rule of communism.. Thinking, questioning and debating is what makes Democracies work.. Checks and balances!!!
BB Out

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Kidding! Well said!