TAB Express is Back!!

[RedBaron1]

http://www.simplextraining.com/index.htm

They are back under a new name with the old management.

[Doug Taylor]

You gots to be kidding.

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Awesome, sign me up!

[MarkE]

Hey man, they have a turbo prop sound effect on their page. I'm sold!!!

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by MarkE

Hey man, they have a turbo prop sound effect on their page. I'm sold!!!

Okay, that was annoying. But trust me some psychological testing/thinking/research went into adding that.

And it will attract the right (or wrong) minded indvidual. Like a moth to a flame!

[GlenWimpy]

Isn't this the same place as RAA? I think its the same city?

[Kingairer]

The timing could not be better for me, I have an interview there on Tuesday.

[Doug Taylor]

Do you know what a VDP is?

[Texasspilot]

Originally Posted by MarkE

Hey man, they have a turbo prop sound effect on their page. I'm sold!!!

thats a PT-6 spoolin up!

...you can hear the prop un-feather.


However...

All flight training for multi-engine instrument and commercial ratings are flown in a Beachcraft turboprop King Air 90.

---HOW EXPENSIVE IS THAT GONNA BE!

[OldTownPilot]

I was all about their "fly for us for 4 years and we'll pay for your ratings deal"

Seriously, I was gonna drop out of college and go to TAB. Then I wisened up and found JC.

[jtrain609]

Screw This New Job! I'm Going To Tab!

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

Screw This New Job! I'm Going To Tab!

Hell, if they're hiring brotha's, I'm all 'bout that! Let's go, JTrain!

[Kingairer]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Do you know what a VDP is?

I have to know this for my interview at TAB? I thought i just needed a check.

[jtrain609]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Hell, if they're hiring brotha's, I'm all 'bout that! Let's go, JTrain!

#### man, brotha's gotta get to Vienna! Once I get transfered to LAX or ONT and I actually have days off again we've gotta roll out there.

[MusketeerMan]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Do you know what a VDP is?

Hee-hee...why would you EVER need to know that?????????

[jtrain609]

Ok I DO have to say...

I NEVER used a VDP in the Chieftain and the Beech 99. I thought the whole idea was kind of silly, because in the Chieftain if you could see the runway, then you could land on it. Hell if you couldn't see it, you could probably STILL land on it. It wasn't until I got into a jet that I realized that if you went blowing past the VDP at MDA you were most likely hosed.

[mtsu_av8er]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

Ok I DO have to say...

I NEVER used a VDP in the Chieftain and the Beech 99. I thought the whole idea was kind of silly, because in the Chieftain if you could see the runway, then you could land on it. Hell if you couldn't see it, you could probably STILL land on it. It wasn't until I got into a jet that I realized that if you went blowing past the VDP at MDA you were most likely hosed.

John, you puss!

Even with my checkride tomorrow, I will still say. This whole VDP thing is over-complicated. Some people can talk allll they want about " . . . . blah blah blah", but it's silly. If you need to make a formula to decide whether or not you can land, you are silly.

[surreal1221]

I'll agree. . .VDP is silly.

Although I understand it's purpose, I still find it very silly.

Land if you can land, don't land if you can't land. If you make a ###### decision and try to land when you couldn't land. . .it's your ass. So, think smart, and quick.

[MFT1Air]

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

John, you puss!

Even with my checkride tomorrow, I will still say. This whole VDP thing is over-complicated. Some people can talk allll they want about " . . . . blah blah blah", but it's silly. If you need to make a formula to decide whether or not you can land, you are silly.

So, perhaps I need to read more about this VDP to know for sure if I need to ignore it.

[Murdoughnut]

Seriously - WTF - why aren't these guys in jail. Bob Adamo is a crook!

[Doug Taylor]

It was very common at my last two airlines to calculate VDP's. Of course we do VNAV descents now with DDA's, but on aircraft where that wasn't available, VDP's were very common. Often times your VDP is well in advance of your MAP and many MAP's aren't situated a a position at which to make a normal approach to landing from that point.

I *think* the importance is that if you decide that you can't make the runway and you're past your MAP you're conducting a "rejected landing" as opposed to a missed approach which can REALLY complicate things when it's down to the wire.

In my personal opinion, unless you're doing VNAV descents on non-precision approaches, the VDP can serve to be a good tool in a jet aircraft.

[jtrain609]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

It was very common at my last two airlines to calculate VDP's. Of course we do VNAV descents now with DDA's, but on aircraft where that wasn't available, VDP's were very common. Often times your VDP is well in advance of your MAP and many MAP's aren't situated a a position at which to make a normal approach to landing from that point.

I *think* the importance is that if you decide that you can't make the runway and you're past your MAP you're conducting a "rejected landing" as opposed to a missed approach which can REALLY complicate things when it's down to the wire.

In my personal opinion, unless you're doing VNAV descents on non-precision approaches, the VDP can serve to be a good tool in a jet aircraft.

Exactly. It gives you another tool to prevent against eye balling it and saying, "Huh, well I THINK I can make it, let's get it a shot Jimbo!" and then running off the end of the runway.

My understanding is that some folks tried to fly the 727 like that when it first came out and they had a rash of guys landing before the runway or running off the runway.

[Doug Taylor]

You could jam the props forward and more or less land on a flatbed truck with a 1900.

But if you yank the power off and dive for the runway in a mad dog, you're in for a big surprise when you add power to arrest your rate of descent!

[Mr.Maximus]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

I'll agree. . .VDP is silly.

Although I understand it's purpose, I still find it very silly.

Land if you can land, don't land if you can't land. If you make a ###### decision and try to land when you couldn't land. . .it's your ass. So, think smart, and quick.

You are kidding right?




Max

[jtrain609]

Originally Posted by Mr.Maximus

You are kidding right?




Max

He isn't, but he doesn't realize the sight picture difference that you're dealing with between a 172 and a jet.

I used to be in his shoes too, now I know better.