No H.S. Diploma or G.E.D.

[APACHEpilot]

Do tell what is this "OTHER STUFF" !

[killbilly]

Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

Learn Chinese...they'll own us in a few decades. Think financially they already do!

Max - funny story - I said the same thing the other day...

My stepfather speaks fluent Mandarin (Navy taught him) and I mentioned that it would probably be a good idea to learn Mandarin or Cantonese. He shook his head and said, "Learn Spanish. The Chinese have a much better educational system than Mexico does. They will be learning English far faster and better than you will learn Mandarin. No need for you to learn Mandarin.

[skydog]

Originally Posted by MusketeerMan

So...I'm flying with a girl who has an XJET interview on 9/6 and she was telling me about some of the recommended items they want her to bring to the interview, being H.S. records. She goes on to tell me she dropped out of H.S. and never got her G.E.D... Is she toast??

Unless I have forgotten my regs (a distinct possibility) you have to have be a high school graduate or have an GED to get an ATP certificate. Is she planning on being a regional FO the rest of her career?

[TheAlchemist]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

Not really. Flying professionally is 10% flying and 90% other stuff.

ANY degree helps with the other stuff.

Just curious...

How does ANY degree helps with the other stuff (90%) when flying professionally?

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by TheAlchemist

Just curious...

How does ANY degree helps with the other stuff (90%) when flying professionally?

Simple. If you want to fly for FedEx, they require a degree.

[MQAAord]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Simple. If you want to fly for FedEx, they require a degree.

Or Delta

No degree, no interview.



Other majors list a degree as being "preferred", so yes, there are a few folks who do get hired without a degree, but your chances are far, FAR better with a degree.

[moocowtex]

Originally Posted by APACHEpilot

Im just wondering how much of college do you use while your flying ? I bet you use more of your FLIGHT EXPERINCE than anything ?

I think that can be said of a lot of jobs out there. A lot of my friends in professional fields other than aviation say very little of what they learned in college is used in their job, but there is NO WAY they could get the job without the college degree. Right or wrong, it's the way it is. I never thought wanting to see a college degree was asking too much when an employer is about to throw you the keys to a multi-million dollar piece of equipment.

[TheAlchemist]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Simple. If you want to fly for FedEx, they require a degree.

I understand that! No doubt one with a degree has far better chances of getting an interview with a major that lists it as preferred.

But if one is already flying professionally how does the degree help? How is it 90% of the job?

I used to think that social skills like for example the right attitude and customer service are just as important as it is flying. But once you have the job what is the degree good for?

I'm sure there's a good reason. I guess I just don't get it yet.

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by TheAlchemist

I understand that! No doubt one with a degree has far better chances of getting an interview with a major that lists it as preferred.

But if one is already flying professionally how does the degree help? How is it 90% of the job?

I used to think that social skills like for example the right attitude and customer service are just as important as it is flying. But once you have the job what is the degree good for?

I'm sure there's a good reason. I guess I just don't get it yet.

Only a small part of what I do at work involves flying.

Most of it involves communication, problem solving and the weird psychology of meeting ten other strangers, 8 of which you depend on for security and nourishment and the other two you'll be spending 7 to 10 hours in a phone booth with.

High school is largely a joke. As well is college in a lot of situations, but I gather, well, I'm probably talking straight out of my rump but the first time many people have to deal with other folks from other religions, races, walks of life, whatnot without the "Scoreless Soccer" safety net is after high school.

An airline wants well-rounded people. There's really no metric for that so many airlines presume if you're able to succeed in college, you're probably more well-rounded than an applicant with only a high school diploma.

Whether it's true or not, that's the way a lot of people look at it. Sorry!

What's the degree for? Checking the box on an application for the most part.

The best jobs will always take the cream of the cream of the crop. Remember, everyone's got an ATP and thousands of flight hours. But hey, here's a Cornell grad. And a Rutgers grad... and a USC Astrophysics grad... Ooh, this kid didn't finish high school. And this one only has two months at a junior college before he quit.

You're HR. Who are you going to call?

[TheAlchemist]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Only a small part of what I do at work involves flying.

Most of it involves communication, problem solving and the weird psychology of meeting ten other strangers, 8 of which you depend on for security and nourishment and the other two you'll be spending 7 to 10 hours in a phone booth with.

High school is largely a joke. As well is college in a lot of situations, but I gather, well, I'm probably talking straight out of my rump but the first time many people have to deal with other folks from other religions, races, walks of life, whatnot without the "Scoreless Soccer" safety net is after high school.

An airline wants well-rounded people. There's really no metric for that so many airlines presume if you're able to succeed in college, you're probably more well-rounded than an applicant with only a high school diploma.

Whether it's true or not, that's the way a lot of people look at it. Sorry!

What's the degree for? Checking the box on an application for the most part.

The best jobs will always take the cream of the cream of the crop. Remember, everyone's got an ATP and thousands of flight hours. But hey, here's a Cornell grad. And a Rutgers grad... and a USC Astrophysics grad... Ooh, this kid didn't finish high school. And this one only has two months at a junior college before he quit.

You're HR. Who are you going to call?

The guy with a degree!

And that's exactly how I feel about it. Checking the box on an application.

For some people the first time they have to deal with other folks from other religions, races, walks of life will be well before college like being an exchange student or doing voluntary work for lower classes.



I'm glad to know that I see things on this issue much like you do after all you have the experience that I lack of.

[APACHEpilot]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Only a small part of what I do at work involves flying.

Most of it involves communication, problem solving and the weird psychology of meeting ten other strangers, 8 of which you depend on for security and nourishment and the other two you'll be spending 7 to 10 hours in a phone booth with.

High school is largely a joke. As well is college in a lot of situations, but I gather, well, I'm probably talking straight out of my rump but the first time many people have to deal with other folks from other religions, races, walks of life, whatnot without the "Scoreless Soccer" safety net is after high school.

An airline wants well-rounded people. There's really no metric for that so many airlines presume if you're able to succeed in college, you're probably more well-rounded than an applicant with only a high school diploma.

Whether it's true or not, that's the way a lot of people look at it. Sorry!

What's the degree for? Checking the box on an application for the most part.

The best jobs will always take the cream of the cream of the crop. Remember, everyone's got an ATP and thousands of flight hours. But hey, here's a Cornell grad. And a Rutgers grad... and a USC Astrophysics grad... Ooh, this kid didn't finish high school. And this one only has two months at a junior college before he quit.

You're HR. Who are you going to call?

There's no question HR is going to call the guy with the degree. But my point is, beyond that is BS !

Hindsite is always 20/20 and will always be 20/20 !