Flying with the best pilot! - Page 2

BobDDuck · September 2nd, 2007, 14:56

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Originally Posted by SkyCougar

So a captain from a flight that Captain Flanagan was jumpseating on told you that he did this - That he passed out his business cards on that flight?

Yes, and it wasn't even in the United system. He said the guy told the PAX that he "knew people" at this airline and would try to get the problems addressed.

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Yes, I work in corporate America, and I can tell you that a great CEO is very good at delegating, and is not a control freak. A good CEO allows his employees (or crew) to excel at what they do. If they don't produce, you show them the door.

That's fine. Delegate (ie ASK!) but to have somebody from another company invite themselves to step in is crossing the line.

SkyCougar · September 2nd, 2007, 17:33

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Yes, and it wasn't even in the United system. He said the guy told the PAX that he "knew people" at this airline and would try to get the problems addressed.

Well since you know and trust this person who told you this, then I guess I'll have to take your word for it. The Denny Flanagan that I met, did not seem at all like a man who would take over another captain's flight.

Qgar · September 2nd, 2007, 19:42

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Originally Posted by BobDDuck

I can't as there are too many cougars running around here.

Two is too many for ya? Gee, SORRY!

Only one duck, though.....

Cruise · September 2nd, 2007, 20:08

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Originally Posted by WildCougar

Two is too many for ya? Gee, SORRY!

Only one duck, though.....

I like cougars! Never get enough of 'em...but hey, cougars dig me, what can I say!

calcapt · September 2nd, 2007, 20:10

I am a control freak with a HUGE ego. I am the king of my domain and no nice guy kiss a$$ captains like Mr United are allowed on my airplane. If this captain started yapping at my passengers or passing out business cards, I would toss him into the jetway myself.

Flying with the best pilot? Seriously now?

Someone said he was prior Navy? Probably helicopters, P3s or Coast Guard. Certainly too nice to have been a fighter pilot.

On a scale of one to ten I would give him a 3.2 and that's being generous!

Ian J · September 2nd, 2007, 21:04

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Originally Posted by calcapt

Someone said he was prior Navy? Probably helicopters, P3s or Coast Guard. Certainly too nice to have been a fighter pilot.

What the heck is THAT supposed to mean!!??

(Like how I extracted the one little piece of info from this thread that applied to me and me alone and made an issue out of it?

)

aviatorrbt · September 2nd, 2007, 21:41

I don't think I've flown with you.... (best pilot joke)

SkyCougar · September 2nd, 2007, 21:48

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Originally Posted by calcapt

Flying with the best pilot? Seriously now?

Someone said he was prior Navy? Probably helicopters, P3s or Coast Guard. Certainly too nice to have been a fighter pilot.

On a scale of one to ten I would give him a 3.2 and that's being generous!

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Originally Posted by Ian J

What the heck is THAT supposed to mean!!??

(Like how I extracted the one little piece of info from this thread that applied to me and me alone and made an issue out of it?

)

Ian, don't mind Mr. Top Gun. We all know that K wouldn't settle for less than a helicopter studmuffin.

Qgar · September 2nd, 2007, 21:49

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Originally Posted by Cruise

I like cougars! Never get enough of 'em...but hey, cougars dig me, what can I say!

Awwww, thanks!

So, cougars dig ya, eh?

You hear that SkyCougar?

butt · September 2nd, 2007, 21:54

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Originally Posted by calcapt

I am a control freak with a HUGE ego. I am the king of my domain and no nice guy kiss a$$ captains like Mr United are allowed on my airplane. If this captain started yapping at my passengers or passing out business cards, I would toss him into the jetway myself.

Flying with the best pilot? Seriously now?

Someone said he was prior Navy? Probably helicopters, P3s or Coast Guard. Certainly too nice to have been a fighter pilot.

On a scale of one to ten I would give him a 3.2 and that's being generous!

Are you being sarcastic here? I honestly can't tell...

Ian J · September 2nd, 2007, 21:54

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Originally Posted by SkyCougar

Ian, don't mind Mr. Top Gun. We all know that K wouldn't settle for less than a helicopter studmuffin.

She's gotta be disappointed then since I'm flying the non-movable wing variety these days...

SkyCougar · September 2nd, 2007, 22:05

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Originally Posted by WildCougar

Awwww, thanks!

So, cougars dig ya, eh?

You hear that SkyCougar?

Whadcha say??? Speak up Missy, the ole cougar's hearing is going!

After the Friday night sailboat races, I had a young buck crew member ask me if I was a cougar. I asked him why did he want to know. He said he dug cougars. The captain of the boat warned me about those young crew members! I steered him over to the yacht club bar where the young lassies were waiting to meet the young bucks and told him to go practice his knots over there.

(the above comment was in no way intended for Mr. Cruise)

Toria · September 2nd, 2007, 22:13

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Originally Posted by calcapt

I am a control freak with a HUGE ego. I am the king of my domain

Don't worry Calcapt, we all know that you are really the best pilot!

And that's funny, you never mentioned having to ask for a second seat for your ego!

:sarc asm:

PurduePilot · September 2nd, 2007, 22:29

I don't want to be rude or anything, but actually how receptive is the crew to jumpseaters making gentle suggestions about what/when/how to say over the PA or how to deal with passengers?

BobDDuck · September 2nd, 2007, 22:32

I would say not at all. Our airplane... we will run it how we see fit.

As a jumpseater (even when I am traveling in my own company aircraft and I know the crew) I keep my mouth shut about operation stuff unless it is a safety issue. I've spoken up before to prevent a crew from landing at the wrong airport and once said something when a newbie FO was about to let an engine hot start and the captain was busy taxiing.

Doug Taylor · September 2nd, 2007, 23:05

Yes, as a jumpseater, keep your mouth shut. Except for eggregious 'safety of flight' issues.

staplegun · September 3rd, 2007, 00:05

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Originally Posted by PurduePilot

I don't want to be rude or anything, but actually how receptive is the crew to jumpseaters making gentle suggestions about what/when/how to say over the PA or how to deal with passengers?

Big no-no!!!

As a jumpseater you are along for the ride at the Captain's pleasure and have NO (as in nada, zip, zero) input into anything that doesn't directly threaten the safety of the flight.

Sit on your hands, smile, speak when spoken to and say "Thank you" a lot...

Kevin

calcapt · September 3rd, 2007, 00:20

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Originally Posted by butt

Are you being sarcastic here? I honestly can't tell...

That's part of the mystique. Ask the cougars, they'll tell ya....

SkyCougar · September 3rd, 2007, 00:23

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Originally Posted by staplegun

Big no-no!!!

As a jumpseater you are along for the ride at the Captain's pleasure and have NO (as in nada, zip, zero) input into anything that doesn't directly threaten the safety of the flight.

Sit on your hands, smile, speak when spoken to and say "Thank you" a lot...

Kevin

So Kevin, I have to ask ya. Do the older senior captains try to give direction when they're jumpseating on something like a regional jet, with a young captain? Or do they keep their mouth shut too? Inquiring minds want to know.

calcapt · September 3rd, 2007, 00:27

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Originally Posted by Ian J

What the heck is THAT supposed to mean!!??

(Like how I extracted the one little piece of info from this thread that applied to me and me alone and made an issue out of it?

)

Just to clarify, I meant that everybody that I have ever met from those communities (helos included), were nice and civil folks. I assumed Mr United Nice Guy would never have come from the bowels of the fighter community. The mean and ornery typically come from Navy fighters and Air Force A-10s. I don't know why that is... probably a genetic thing.

Don't worry Ian, it was a compliment you should not take offense to.

calcapt · September 3rd, 2007, 00:30

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Originally Posted by SkyCougar

So Kevin, I have to ask ya. Do the older senior captains try to give direction when they're jumpseating on something like a regional jet, with a young captain? Or do they keep their mouth shut too? Inquiring minds want to know.

Good senior captains keep their mouth shut. The same respect is shown a Beech 1900 captain as a 747 captain.

staplegun · September 3rd, 2007, 00:32

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Originally Posted by SkyCougar

So Kevin, I have to ask ya. Do the older senior captains try to give direction when they're jumpseating on something like a regional jet, with a young captain? Or do they keep their mouth shut too? Inquiring minds want to know.

I say again...

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Big no-no!!!

As a jumpseater you are along for the ride at the Captain's pleasure and have NO (as in nada, zip, zero) input into anything that doesn't directly threaten the safety of the flight.

Sit on your hands, smile, speak when spoken to and say "Thank you" a lot...

Kevin

That goes for the most senior B-747 Captain jumpseating with the most junior "ink-wet-on-the-type-rating" Beech 1900 Captain.

The only exception (other than something affecting safety of flight) is a line-check airman in the performance of his duties, or a chief pilot of your own airline...

Kevin

staplegun · September 3rd, 2007, 00:34

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Originally Posted by calcapt

Good senior captains keep their mouth shut. The same respect is shown a Beech 1900 captain as a 747 captain.

Doh!!

Beat me to it by 2 minutes!

(Sometimes I like to think before I post...

)

Kevin

SkyCougar · September 3rd, 2007, 00:36

Ok, so I am learning the dynamics of cockpit etiquette! Thanks guys.

staplegun · September 3rd, 2007, 00:46

I'm sure this Captain Denny is a great guy and lots of fun to have around...

...if you're a passenger.

Otherwise to much smoke for there not to be some fire about him being a pompous arse to fly with.

Most pilots are pretty self-effacing types who like to take care of their passengers and their crews. This guy seems like he goes out of his way to "take-care-of-the-pax" thereby really "taking-care-of-Denny..."

Everyone "Oohs" and "Aahs" and says what a splendid chap he is and guess what?...

There's only one ego being stroked here and UAL Corporation doesn't have an ego...

JMHO, YMMV.

Kevin

September 2nd, 2007, 20:10	#30
calcapt Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Houston Posts: 820	Re: Flying with the best pilot! I am a control freak with a HUGE ego. I am the king of my domain and no nice guy kiss a$$ captains like Mr United are allowed on my airplane. If this captain started yapping at my passengers or passing out business cards, I would toss him into the jetway myself. Flying with the best pilot? Seriously now? Someone said he was prior Navy? Probably helicopters, P3s or Coast Guard. Certainly too nice to have been a fighter pilot. On a scale of one to ten I would give him a 3.2 and that's being generous! __________________

September 2nd, 2007, 21:41	#32
aviatorrbt Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: FL Posts: 423	Re: Flying with the best pilot! I don't think I've flown with you.... (best pilot joke)

September 2nd, 2007, 22:29	#39
PurduePilot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Sherborn, Massachusetts USA Posts: 1,309	Re: Flying with the best pilot! I don't want to be rude or anything, but actually how receptive is the crew to jumpseaters making gentle suggestions about what/when/how to say over the PA or how to deal with passengers? __________________ Neil Harrison

September 2nd, 2007, 22:32	#40
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 5,564	Re: Flying with the best pilot! I would say not at all. Our airplane... we will run it how we see fit. As a jumpseater (even when I am traveling in my own company aircraft and I know the crew) I keep my mouth shut about operation stuff unless it is a safety issue. I've spoken up before to prevent a crew from landing at the wrong airport and once said something when a newbie FO was about to let an engine hot start and the captain was busy taxiing. __________________ TBJC08 The Gear Monkey The Gear Monkey Store

September 2nd, 2007, 23:05	#41
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,593 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Flying with the best pilot! Yes, as a jumpseater, keep your mouth shut. Except for eggregious 'safety of flight' issues. __________________ Doug Taylor http://76school.flyblog.com (old!) http://30west.flyblog.com (updated 11/28)

September 3rd, 2007, 00:36	#49
SkyCougar Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SFO Posts: 3,912	Re: Flying with the best pilot! Ok, so I am learning the dynamics of cockpit etiquette! Thanks guys.

September 3rd, 2007, 00:46	#50
staplegun Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Park Ridge, IL Posts: 1,109	Re: Flying with the best pilot! I'm sure this Captain Denny is a great guy and lots of fun to have around... ...if you're a passenger. Otherwise to much smoke for there not to be some fire about him being a pompous arse to fly with. Most pilots are pretty self-effacing types who like to take care of their passengers and their crews. This guy seems like he goes out of his way to "take-care-of-the-pax" thereby really "taking-care-of-Denny..." Everyone "Oohs" and "Aahs" and says what a splendid chap he is and guess what?... There's only one ego being stroked here and UAL Corporation doesn't have an ego... JMHO, YMMV. Kevin __________________ "Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!" - Goethe

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