Future of Rudder Control???

[MikeOH58]

So i'm sitting here messing around with MSFS with a MS Sidewinder joystick, and it gets me thinking...Is there anyone out there testing with, or will we ever see a side sticked aircraft that has a twist stick rudder opposed to foot pedals?

[SeanD]

I wouldnt think you wouldnt have an accurate climb if you had to use back pressure and twist at the same time. The airplane would be all over the place.

[FlySmiley]

Some airplanes have the ailerons and rudder tied together (chieftain/navajo), but you still only have to make two inputs with one control. I think having to make three separate inputs within one control motion would be difficult just like it is on msfs with a sidewinder.

[88MPH]

Interesting concept, but I think if they have so many FBW airframes out there already, they probably toy'd around with it and did numerous human factors tests.

It's buttah on FS though!

[E6BAV8R]

Originally Posted by MikeOH58

So i'm sitting here messing around with MSFS with a MS Sidewinder joystick, and it gets me thinking...Is there anyone out there testing with, or will we ever see a side sticked aircraft that has a twist stick rudder opposed to foot pedals?

Man I hope not.

[secretapproach]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ercoupe

Not exactly what you're asking about, but for anyone who hasn't heard of this it's pretty interesting.

[PanJet]

Originally Posted by FlySmiley

Some airplanes have the ailerons and rudder tied together (chieftain/navajo), but you still only have to make two inputs with one control....

Really? That's interesting. How does the system work on the Chieftain/Navajo?

[Hacker15e]

The Navion has "auto coordination", too.

Actually, so does the F-15E.

[Wolfy]

Originally Posted by Hacker15e

The Navion has "auto coordination", too.

Actually, so does the F-15E.

Does the F-15 have the rudder and aileron cables connected like the Ercoupe?

[Hacker15e]

Originally Posted by Travisimo

Does the F-15 have the rudder and aileron cables connected like the Ercoupe?

From what I understand, it's exactly the same system. I mean, why re-invent the wheel?

[Kevin.Held]

I have 0 hours logged so I can't give a balanced answer.

With the little bit of FSX i've played, I can't quite get the the twist rudder down. It seems like theres too much to do with one hand. Then again, helicopter pilots seem to have no problem operating cyclic and throttle all at once so who knows.

[taseal]

Originally Posted by FlySmiley

Some airplanes have the ailerons and rudder tied together (chieftain/navajo), but you still only have to make two inputs with one control. I think having to make three separate inputs within one control motion would be difficult just like it is on msfs with a sidewinder.

same with the cirrus... ailerons and rudder are tied together... supposedly makes it very hard to spin

I just looked at the ercoupe, i never knew they didn't have rudder pedals... how the hell do you forward slip in that thing? or land with crosswind?

[Doug Taylor]

Crosswind anyone?

[JHines]

<-------------- See the copy of the patent from the Wright brothers?. It's not for an airplane in general, it's for roll control, specifically wing-warping. But that same patent describes adverse yaw and how to correct it automatically, with what we would now call "aileron-rudder interconnect" (or "auto-coordination").

[JHines]

Originally Posted by taseal

same with the cirrus... ailerons and rudder are tied together... supposedly makes it very hard to spin

I just looked at the ercoupe, i never knew they didn't have rudder pedals... how the hell do you forward slip in that thing? or land with crosswind?

You don't slip it. It has massive trailing-link gear; you just crab it right on the runway

[taseal]

Originally Posted by JHines

You don't slip it. It has massive trailing-link gear; you just crab it right on the runway

interesting... it would probably be confusing for me to land that thing as i'm stepping on the floorboard lol

[bronco21016]

I've flown an Ercoupe several times back home where one of the old farts has one. It's a sport plane so it keeps him legal.

Anyways... the crosswind landings are always a little exciting. Often times when I got to go flying with him we'd land on the grass along side of the runway because when you touch down with that crab it slides better on the grass and doesn't quite give ya the jerk of rubber catching pavement. It's quite a different experience on landing.

I'm told there is a kit that gives you some rudder pedals and toe brakes but I have yet to see an Ercoupe with the kit. (I've only seen about 4 of them.)

It is definitely a different airplane. It flys kinda funny so I don't like it very much but I guess it's perfect for the old guy sport pilots.

[FlySmiley]

Originally Posted by PanJet

Really? That's interesting. How does the system work on the Chieftain/Navajo?

If I remember right it is more or less bungee cords.. you can overcome the "auto-coordination" for landing if your legs are strong enough to support yourself while you walk. It is a nice system, kind of a pain for the x-wind until you get the hang of it, but overall it works well. On a side note, when you are taxiing the control yoke will move left and right with the rudder while steering on the ground.

[trafficinsight]

Originally Posted by bronco21016

I've flown an Ercoupe several times back home where one of the old farts has one. It's a sport plane so it keeps him legal.

Anyways... the crosswind landings are always a little exciting. Often times when I got to go flying with him we'd land on the grass along side of the runway because when you touch down with that crab it slides better on the grass and doesn't quite give ya the jerk of rubber catching pavement. It's quite a different experience on landing.

I'm told there is a kit that gives you some rudder pedals and toe brakes but I have yet to see an Ercoupe with the kit. (I've only seen about 4 of them.)

It is definitely a different airplane. It flys kinda funny so I don't like it very much but I guess it's perfect for the old guy sport pilots.

There is a kit, but in reality rudder pedals were optional on the Ercoupe, some people, who have flown both, prefer the ones without over the ones with them.

[U_of_I_Tweak]

There are several airplanes with the rudder - aileron interconnect. Supposedly it helps increase stability. Cessna 210's have it, as do the previously mentioned Cirri; and as I learned recently, Cessna Citations.

[sdfcvoh]

Great - instead of a sore right leg I could have carpal tunnel syndrome!