Not to sure what to make of this

[FiveO]

Originally Posted by mpenguin1

3. Had a drink (pilot forgot that he was on reserve & was drinking)

What happens in a situation like this? Is he/she gonna get a slap on the wrist or worse?

[SkyCougar]

Originally Posted by mpenguin1

5. Another pilot was living with his ex-wife & did not like her to be home alone as she would bring men over....

Alllrighty then!

[X-Forces]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Might be one of those 'inverse assignment' things.

If crew scheduling catches me on my day off for an inverse assignment and I pick up the phone, I'm going flying unless I have extenuating circumstances like "Just finished off a Franziskaner, ma'am" or child care.

Which is why I don't pick up the phone when it says "unknown caller".

You can borrow my kids if it ever comes to that.

[Bumblebee]

Originally Posted by Fly4Pay

You were SOOOOOOOOO late with this one (see above... )!!! I was at the D-Tree in CLT last week and the van driver left us stranded when they were supposed to pick us up, and by way of apologies, we got a couple of EXTRA cookies!

Who says there ain't no perks in this industry???

You're right I was late . . . but what about the bedtime story bit

We were at the MOD Doubletree 2 days ago and I went down to the desk and asked for an extra cookie because I didn't get a warm one the night before. . . they were laughing with me as they handed me the yummy brown bagDTree rocks!

[skyrunner1500]

Originally Posted by Seggy

Let me preface this by saying we have a very young pilot group, a pilot group with a good bunch of guys and gals, nothing personal against them.

Was talking to a crew scheduler the other day; they have had some younger First Officers turn down trips because they had to finish their homework for last minute class deadlines for their online classes.

The company is dumbfounded about this. Usually you have problems with staffing restaurants because the young wait staff has exams, school work etc. Not airline pilots.

Since I'm on the other side of the pond: If they call you on a day off, do you HAVE to pick up the trip? Is there any line in your contract where it says you have to go flying if they call you?

[crashmbern]

Just tell them that due to FARs you are unfit to fly. That can be anything, drinking, medication, scuba diving, giving blood. Any chief pilot that won't back you up with that excuse has got something wrong with them.

[Champcar]

Just a sign of the times.

[H46Bubba]

No big deal. If they want to do classes on their days off, so be it. At least their getting their degrees, so when the hurt comes they can move on to greener pastures at an ALPA carrier. It's their time off! Start passing on for those goobers to stop answering their phones. Make the company hurt as much as you can! I'm sure there is plenty of those 155 that didn't vote that will gladly cover those trips.

[Airdale]

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

So, wait - Colgan can take disciplinary action against you if you refuse extra flying that wasn't awarded to you?

Are these pilots dropping trips because they have other things to do, or is scheduling unable to properly staff the schedule, and pilots are refusing to make up for the company's inability to manage itself?

Absolutely BINGO. Scheduling will bend you over any chance they get, why the hell should we volunteer to do the bending? I don't mind helping a company out, but when they make decision without thinking about how its going to affect their crew members, when I'm off - I'm off. I don't answer the phone.

[pilot602]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

Well, I have to say that if I was on my off time, and the company called me wanting to pick up a trip - and I'm occupied - I'm not going to take it.

Now, if I was scheduled to fly, then obviously I'd fly. . .I won't make up a reason to not goto work.

Also, if on reserve. . .I'd also go fly. But, like I said, if I'm in my off time and the company calls me. . .I'm not picking up the spot. They need to hire more crews.

If you pick up the phone you are going flying. Pretty much hosed yourself at this point.

Hence do not ever pick up a call from an "unknown" on your days off. This is exactly why they invented voice mail.

[Doug Taylor]

That's pretty much the modus operandi at my current and previous airline.

Compelling reasons like alcohol consumption and unavailability of child care can relieve you of responsibility to cover an inverse assignment, but if you say, "Can't because I don't wanna!", you may be sitting in the chief pilot's office listening to the recording with your ALPA rep explaining why you have a 'failure to cover' report.

But it all depends on your contract or working agreement. What a great time to review that!

I almost got a 'failure to cover' during an inverse assignment a few years ago, but since the ACARS message said "How would FO Taylor like an assignment" rather than "FO Taylor HAS an assignment", I was able to successfully shirk responsibility to covering the trip.

[pilot602]

Supposedly C--w S--------g can't ask us to cover stuff/pick up flying/assign us new trips through ACARS. However, we'll see what happens when a) we really do run out of pilots and b) if we "pull a Colgan."

[mtsu_av8er]

Originally Posted by H46Bubba

No big deal. If they want to do classes on their days off, so be it. At least their getting their degrees, so when the hurt comes they can move on to greener pastures at an ALPA carrier.

There's a lot of talk about "raising the bar" around here, and then we knock people that are bettering themselves so that they can raise the bar.

Geez . . .

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

There's a lot of talk about "raising the bar" around here, and then we knock people that are bettering themselves so that they can raise the bar.

Geez . . .

Hey, man. I'm getting my degree on-line, but I don't have to miss trips to do it. If scheduling calls me on my day off I just don't answer the phone. End of story. If I do answer the phone, "I got online school" is NOT a valid reason to get out of work. Sorry if I don't have any sympathy for other people trying to use it as a cop out for being stupid and answering the phone.

[Jason]

The hotel we stayed at in BTV -- Hilton maybe?? -- had cookies AND milk when you got in on a high speed.

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by Jason

The hotel we stayed at in BTV -- Hilton maybe?? -- had cookies AND milk when you got in on a high speed.

Hampton Inn is generally pretty good for cookies, too. If you're lucky, they've left the milk machines on, too.

[subpilot]

I don't get this. A day off is a day off. I would have no problem saying no to working if they call me on a day off. You should not have to even explain yourself by giving a reason. Either way, it is a good thing that I drink every day off while watching my kids!!!

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by subpilot

I don't get this. A day off is a day off. I would have no problem saying no to working if they call me on a day off. You should not have to even explain yourself by giving a reason. Either way, it is a good thing that I drink every day off while watching my kids!!!

Not in the airline industry. Answer the phone here, and you don't have the option of saying "no." I have yet to meet a CA here that DOESN'T get called to get JMed on at least 2/3rds of their days off a month.

They call you on your day off, you answer the phone, you say "no" without a good reason, you'll be on the carpet in the base manager/chief pilot's office trying to explain why you didn't fly the junior assignment. It won't be long until this little staffing policy makes the jump from Pinnacle to Colgan....

[BobDDuck]

I got called last night at around 10pm by scheduling. I wasn't really paying attention and answered the phone. They said they were junior maning for a 4:45am repo flight down to Charlotte and they they could have me back in base by 9:30. I politely told them that I had something at 8:30 and unfortunately couldn't help them. That was the end of it. Well, actually, they called back at 5:30am but I didn't bother answering it. The voice mail said they were still junior maning for the repo but it left "as soon as you could get over here".

I've never had a problem getting out of a junior man when I answer the phone. Granted, I accept about 1/3 of the ones they give me and I do try to help them out when I can so maybe I earned some karma points with them (although I doubt it). I'll keep playing the game this way until I get burned and then I won't do it any more.

The ONLY time I've had to do a carpet dance with a CP involved me calling scheduling to get released from the last leg which was just a deadhead (and them approving it) and then scheduling extending me for a turn out of base AFTER the deadhead. Obviously I wasn't there and they hit me with a no show. It took the union about a month to get the company to find the tapes and after that it was all ok.

[Baradium]

They get mad at us if they try to call and can't get ahold of us. It's just that they get *more* mad if they try to call and do get ahold of us and we don't come in.

[Fly4Pay]

Originally Posted by Baradium

They get mad at us if they try to call and can't get ahold of us. It's just that they get *more* mad if they try to call and do get ahold of us and we don't come in.

Unless you have some REEEEEAAALLLY bizarre contract, you should be under no obligation to be "reachable" unless you are on reserve. I'm with the group--call me on my day off, and yer getting voice mail, unless I knows ya!

I even did that last night--got a call from a number I didn't recognize and let it go to voice mail. Turns out it cost me, though--I missed a chance to claim my FREE Ford Explorer, or something like that!

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

I got called last night at around 10pm by scheduling. I wasn't really paying attention and answered the phone. They said they were junior maning for a 4:45am repo flight down to Charlotte and they they could have me back in base by 9:30. I politely told them that I had something at 8:30 and unfortunately couldn't help them. That was the end of it. Well, actually, they called back at 5:30am but I didn't bother answering it. The voice mail said they were still junior maning for the repo but it left "as soon as you could get over here".

I've never had a problem getting out of a junior man when I answer the phone. Granted, I accept about 1/3 of the ones they give me and I do try to help them out when I can so maybe I earned some karma points with them (although I doubt it). I'll keep playing the game this way until I get burned and then I won't do it any more.

The ONLY time I've had to do a carpet dance with a CP involved me calling scheduling to get released from the last leg which was just a deadhead (and them approving it) and then scheduling extending me for a turn out of base AFTER the deadhead. Obviously I wasn't there and they hit me with a no show. It took the union about a month to get the company to find the tapes and after that it was all ok.

Man, do that here, and you'll get blasted from about eight different sides, and there's nothing you can do. This is the difference b/w an airline where scheduling and the pilots work together and one where scheduling basically has burned all good will towards pilots. Last I checked, we actually had potential "hostile work environment" lawsuits against scheduling.....

[Cruise]

Originally Posted by kellwolf

Man, do that here, and you'll get blasted from about eight different sides, and there's nothing you can do. This is the difference b/w an airline where scheduling and the pilots work together and one where scheduling basically has burned all good will towards pilots. Last I checked, we actually had potential "hostile work environment" lawsuits against scheduling.....

Wow, I'm sooo glad I am now part of the PCL 'family.' Especially without Union representation or a contract.

Life is gonna be great once Uncle Phil starts making things happen around here.

[skidz]

Are there any rewards for accepting a flight each time with no questions asked?

[Cruise]

Originally Posted by skidz

Are there any rewards for accepting a flight each time with no questions asked?

NONE! Schedulers might tell you they owe you a favor....but that generally is forgotten quickly.