nonreving resposibilities?

[dakovich]

so i'm nonreving last night in uniform and some jackass across the aisle form me has his ipod on during taxi. i figured its just taxi no biggie, as long as he turns it off for takeoff. and of course, nope he turns it up, and preceeds to recline his chair as we line-up for takeoff. i was like WTF! so whats everyones take on this kind of thing? should i have said something, or is it not my place to do so. i kind of figured i have a resposibility to say something, but at the same moment it could cause more trouble than its worth.

[taildragger173]

If you could have gotten the flight attendant's attention and pointed it out to them that would have been the best way to do it. I've told people to put their seat up for take off before while I've non-reved, especially if it creates a hazzard to me.

[ClearedToThe]

Well, the seat is one thing. I can see that getting in the way if you had to perform an emergency exit. But I dont really see the big deal about listening to an ipod or something else during taxi and takeoff. It most definately does not affect the nav/comm on the plane. I was told by a FA that its so you will be able to hear announcements from them over the PA... Personally, I can see the seatbelt light when it goes out/on, know the 8 different types of sodas they will be serving on the flight, know that booze costs $5 and to have exact change or a credit card ready for them, and will definately know if something is going wrong before they even make an announcement about it. Just my 2 cents

[Chris_Ford]

Originally Posted by ClearedToThe

Well, the seat is one thing. I can see that getting in the way if you had to perform an emergency exit. But I dont really see the big deal about listening to an ipod or something else during taxi and takeoff. It most definately does not affect the nav/comm on the plane. I was told by a FA that its so you will be able to hear announcements from them over the PA... Personally, I can see the seatbelt light when it goes out/on, know the 8 different types of sodas they will be serving on the flight, know that booze costs $5 and to have exact change or a credit card ready for them, and will definately know if something is going wrong before they even make an announcement about it. Just my 2 cents

Yeah, that's cool. I don't really see the big deal about murdering 6 million Jews either, so I should be able to do it. ( for the inept)

/Godwined the thread in 3 posts.

[montanapilot]

Originally Posted by ClearedToThe

Well, the seat is one thing. I can see that getting in the way if you had to perform an emergency exit. But I dont really see the big deal about listening to an ipod or something else during taxi and takeoff. It most definately does not affect the nav/comm on the plane. I was told by a FA that its so you will be able to hear announcements from them over the PA... Personally, I can see the seatbelt light when it goes out/on, know the 8 different types of sodas they will be serving on the flight, know that booze costs $5 and to have exact change or a credit card ready for them, and will definately know if something is going wrong before they even make an announcement about it. Just my 2 cents

by the sounds of your post you probably aren't old enough to drink that $5 booze or probably even drive.

[BobDDuck]

Unless it is going to effect the safety of the flight I let stuff like that go. It's way to much work to get worked up over somebody not turning off their ipod or not fastening their seatbelt. If the FA catches it, fine... if not, oh well. I just figure there are tons of times I'm not there and that stuff happens and planes aren't falling out of the sky.

[av8sean]

Lets be realistic. An ipod has no safety impact on a commercial airliner, and if the plane goes down or needs to be evacuated I'm sure he'd notice.

[Chris_Ford]

You're 100% right. The rules do not apply to you!!!!!

[DZERO]

I thought everyone here understood that when you buy an airline tkt you are entitled to everything and anything, and if you want to break the rules you can. It's all in the Pax Bill of Rights ya know.

[ClearedToThe]

Guys, did not mean to upset the apple cart here, sorry. I was merely offering a very realistic point of view. An ipod has absolutely no effect on safety of flight. If it was a safety of flight issue (like reclining a seat as stated earlier) it would be a totally different story.

On a side note...does anyone know why all of a sudden it is "ok to use your cell phones on the way to gate if they can be reached without getting out of your seat"?

Montana...i'm sure you make sure your students "deactivate and placard inop" a landing light switch when the light is out before every dual flight right?

[Doug Taylor]

I'd usually get bent out of shape when people would do that because as pilots, we live in a world of order. But now I just find it amusing. It'll drive you crazy if you let it!

[flyguy]

Originally Posted by ClearedToThe

Montana...i'm sure you make sure your students "deactivate and placard inop" a landing light switch when the light is out before every dual flight right?

I always did, but that's partly because about 10 years ago a mechanic at the school I instructed at, pissed off someone at the FSDO and they've been busting our chops over the stupidest little things ever since. We actually had a plane grounded for over a month because the upholstery of the front seats didn't match the upholstery of the back seats. My favoite still has to be when we got busted because the 30 year old 172's throttle knob had its paint worn off and so it was silver, instead of black as it was supposed to be. It was unairworthy because the knob was the wrong color. Sombody must have put the wrong one on!!!

[mikecweb]

I'm too busy dreaming of ways to silence the shorty in the row behind me. Most aren't legal.

[Kristie]

I suppose if rules aren't followed, natural selection will surely take notice.

Figure you've got your ipod on full blast, some type of intercom message comes on and you miss the important stuff before said flight gets evac'd

that's just the breaks, i guess

[MQAAord]

Ah yes, the "Well, *I'm* a pilot and *I* know that electronic devices have no effect at all on a flight so I'm gonna use them anyway".

The rules apply to everyone. YOU TOO!


As for this particular situation, I would maybe try to get the F/A's attention, but not raise a stink about it. Later, in flight, I'd let the F/A know what I saw so that s/he can keep an eye on him later.

It never ceased to amaze me the people who would put their seats up and turn their computers, etc off when I would walk by and do the compliance check. Then, when they thought I was 'done', they'd put the seats right back and turn their devices right back on. So I'd head back out and tell 'em again. I was always polite, but the rules are there for a reason. If they didn't serve a purpose, they wouldn't be there. If someone copped an attitude or rolled their eyes or even just asked "why", I would very nicely explain the reasoning behind whatever rule they thought was 'stupid' or that 'they knew better'.

[dakovich]

yup, i never said anything. just figured it was more trouble than it was worth, didn't see any big safety issue. funny that doug mentioned that we as pilots live in a very ordered world/life. i really noticed that many years ago right after finishing my instrument rating. i would get all kinds of pissed while driving because people didn't follow the "rules of the road", whereas before becoming a pilot things like that never buged me. when this situation with the guy with the ipod and seat back happened at first i was like holly s**t this guy is breaking the rules, how dare he...but i figured there was no real safety issue and it wasn't worth getting worked up over so i turned my attention back to my 2 slices of Family Famiglia pizza getting cold. now if the guy was making phone calls on takeoff roll i'd have said something.