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| Old Skool | All I gotta say is can anyone tell me an airplane that had winglets before the Beech 1900D*? I am flying an airplane with a revolutionary aerodynamic design. ![]() I LOVE it when I turn on the EFIS and it says "Copyright Rockwell Collins 1986" *I could be wrong, but can't think of an airplane that had em before the mighty 1900
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| 3.5% savings? I imagine you could save 20% in fuel if the airlines lobbied the FAA to ban early descents from ATC and penalize ATC for excessive times to cruise altitude. It is very rare to make it to the TOD point at cruise altitude. There are some MAJOR fuel savings to be had by restructuring the arrival routes. ATC: Cross 600nm E at FL200 Huh?!?!?! Cost to modify ATC: $.00 Cost to modify aircraft: $.00 Quote:
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| Old Skool | slap the situational awareness on Doug on his own forum ![]()
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| Old Skool | The jet I fly must have winglets. No question. ![]()
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| Old Skool | DOH! Nevermind!
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| Gulfstream III 1979 Airbus A310-200, Began service between 1982-1985 Prototype Beech Starship 1983 Seggy, How about 1st production EFIS? Last edited by NJA_Capt; June 19th, 2007 at 19:55. |
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| Old Skool | Weeeeeellll....those were wing tip fences not winglets. Yea, I'm spliting hairs! |
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| Old Skool | Maybe? I really have NO idea. I thought it is funny though that the 'hot' thing is winglets, but the 1900 had them for years.
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| Old Skool | What's old is revolutionary once again! |
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| Old Skool | so are the winglets considered retro? ![]() |
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| Nope. It's just lipstick on a pig. Seggy, we have a winner: http://oea.larc.nasa.gov/PAIS/Concep.../winglets.html ![]() Learjet Model 28/29, first production jet aircraft to utilize winglets. The Model 28 prototype employed the first winglets ever used on a jet and a production aircraft, either civilian or military. There is some excellent winglet history on the above link! The Lear 28/29 may also be the first civilian jet certified to operate at FL510. |
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| Senior Member | I'll never forget when I was a new hire FO at Pinnacle and we were taxiing out behind a B1900. The CA looked over at me and said "ya know, I would not have wanted to be the test pilot that took the first B1900 up and returned from the flight saying 'Guys, we're going to need more fins on this thing.'"
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| It was the first "jet." but the first plane was a homebuilt. " The first aircraft to fly with winglets was the propeller-driven Vari-Eze light homebuilt aircraft, designed in 1974 by Burt Rutan... " http://oea.larc.nasa.gov/PAIS/Concep.../winglets.html ![]() |
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| Old Skool | Seggy, I'm pretty sure the winglets, strakes and all the other crap hanging from the mighty 1900 was in response to attempting to make a King Air 200 into something it wasn't originally intended to be...not cutting edge technology. That said, the King Air is still probably the best personal airplane AND the best multiengine conversion airframe going. I loved every minute of my King Air time in the Navy.
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| I know there was a L-1011 with a glass cockpit but it didnt make production.
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