AOPA Petition Against User Fees

[Mahesh]

Velocipede's profile says he is supposedly a major airline captain. I guess now that he made it, he no longer cares about the small guy. I wonder how he got his training? Either military (tax payers paid for his training) or GA. He should go back and reimburse the government for all the training he got before user fees.

My troll-dar is also going off.

[TheOneMarine]

Eh, he's just an airline watchdog. Government trained with our tax dollars and not knowledgable with GA or those of us that choose to follow this path. Simply put, ignorance is the mother of all evil, and since I'm nearly positive all he does is fly for an airline (which again pays for all of the services he uses) it's easy to ride the "Make'em pay" bandwagon.

[TheOneMarine]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

Where's the petition FOR user fees?

"It" strikes again

[meritflyer]

Troll.

[Crockrocket94]

Why would anyone who flys in a GA background want userfees??


Vote vote vote!

[SIUav8er]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

Personally, I'm disgusted by people who want something for nothing. You want to engage in your GA hobby? Pay up.

GA hobby? its funny how this hobby brings in millions of dollars to local economies, trains basically ALL of the pilots for the entire world (non-military), and is the finest run airspace system in the world.

Sure theres problems, but compared to the rest of the world its is much better. I like to compare user fees for the NAS to making all interstate highways (or any roads that recieve federal funding for that matter) into toll roads...ya gotta pay for your driving hobby right? gimme a break. Control and funding of the NAS is purely a function of government since that is the only way to maintain equal access and above all safety for everyone.

[MSUDAWG]

Guys, lets just leave this Velo clown alone. He isnt worth our time and everytime this topic comes up he tries to defend it in the most idiotic way. His ideas are not worth our time and he has already been labeled as a troll once on here. Just let the clown be, he can continue to make a fool of himself without us getting all upset over it.........

[Bandit_Driver]

Originally Posted by MSUDAWG

Guys, lets just leave this Velo clown alone. He isnt worth our time and everytime this topic comes up he tries to defend it in the most idiotic way. His ideas are not worth our time and he has already been labeled as a troll once on here. Just let the clown be, he can continue to make a fool of himself without us getting all upset over it.........

I agree to some extent with that but unfortunately with crap like this the loudest usually wins. Just look at congress and the presidency. Whoever spends the most usually wins. It is going to take a huge effort for GA to fight off congress and the uneducated out there + the greedy airline mgmt types. Who want their taxes removed.

[Bandit_Driver]

Originally Posted by Crockrocket94

Why would anyone who flys in a GA background want userfees??


Vote vote vote!

Flamebait, or just plane uneducated about who the system is really funded and works and why there is a push to make it fee based.

[Velocipede]

Originally Posted by Realms09

GA qua hobby costs the taxpayers nothing. All I need is a grass strip to land and a box of air to do my dance.

Then you have no need to pay for the NAS. You don't use it. But, if you want to file a flight plan, go IFR and clutter up the terminal areas with your doctor-killer, then pay your fair share. Personally, I'm sick of having to dodge the idiot beachcombers in SoCal everytime I go to SNA or LGB. If it takes taxation to get them out of the way, so be it.

[TheOneMarine]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

Then you have no need to pay for the NAS. You don't use it. But, if you want to file a flight plan, go IFR and clutter up the terminal areas with your doctor-killer, then pay your fair share. Personally, I'm sick of having to dodge the idiot beachcombers in SoCal everytime I go to SNA or LGB. If it takes taxation to get them out of the way, so be it.

I think this should be in german.... HAIL HITLA!!!!

[Velocipede]

Very nice, Jarhead. However, the bottom line is that in high traffic terminal areas, GA "junior birdmen" are a safety hazard. Now, out in the country where they can't hurt anybody but themselves, fine and dandy. You want free flying, join the military and serve the country like I did.

[Mariano]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

Personally, I'm disgusted by people who want something for nothing. You want to engage in your GA hobby? Pay up.

User fees will destroy an amazing thing about this country: The fact that any average Joe, can turn his/her dreams of aviation into reality.

Go to Europe, and take a look at GA.....is pretty much only accessible to the wealthy.

I don't have any data, but it seems logic, that if GA in th US becomes like GA in Europe, you'll see a lot jobs, (directly or indirectly related to GA)along with something that makes this country unique, gone for ever.

[TheOneMarine]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

Very nice, Jarhead. However, the bottom line is that in high traffic terminal areas, GA "junior birdmen" are a safety hazard. Now, out in the country where they can't hurt anybody but themselves, fine and dandy. You want free flying, join the military and serve the country like I did.

So I'm guessing because I serve and DON'T fly, I'm a lesser being and not entitled to anything except a grass strip and a cellphone for aid huh? And as for those of us who live in big terminal areas, we're really screwed. I learned to fly in Orlando, at a D airport, because that's all there was for 50 miles, under the third layer of a B shelf. Well, there goes business at these flight schools, a lot of these airports will lose business because I'm not paying more than a landing fee for a facility which was taylored to GA aircraft anyway, and I guess we won't even need D airspace because no one will be able to afford the services like $4.60 100LL and ramp fees and user fees and landing fees. The death of an industry, regulated to the ground by government. Sounds good. I might as well do my flight training in Vietnam or Cuba. I hear they regulate some stuff too.

[SteveC]

Originally Posted by TheOneMarine

I think this should be in german.... HAIL HITLA!!!!

Originally Posted by Velocipede

Very nice, Jarhead. <snip>

Originally Posted by numerous other examples

<similar posts by others>

If people want to debate the topic, fine. If name calling and epithets is more your style you will be requested to "move on" somewhere else.

I understand that feelings run strong on topics like these, but that doesn't mean that doing things like using a derogatory tone of *voice* on one side or labeling someone a troll on the other are acceptable behaviors.

Rule synopsis:
Don't post angry. Don't poke dangerous animals with a stick. Brush your teeth twice a day. Rinse, repeat.

[SkyCougar]

Originally Posted by Mahesh

Velocipede's profile says he is supposedly a major airline captain. I guess now that he made it, he no longer cares about the small guy. I wonder how he got his training? Either military (tax payers paid for his training) or GA. He should go back and reimburse the government for all the training he got before user fees.

My troll-dar is also going off.

I know Velo, and for the record, he IS a major airline captain who is simply stating his opinion on the matter. Just because you don't agree with him doesn't mean he should be called a troll. I have no opinion one way or another on the matter because I don't know enough about the issue, but Velocipede is indeed a major airline captain.

[Mariano]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

Very nice, Jarhead. However, the bottom line is that in high traffic terminal areas, GA "junior birdmen" are a safety hazard. Now, out in the country where they can't hurt anybody but themselves, fine and dandy. You want free flying, join the military and serve the country like I did.

It seems to me that "high traffic in terminal areas", and user fees are two different issues.


By the way.........any Jackass can come here and pretend to be Maverick, but you know what they say........."money talks, ########........"

[TheOneMarine]

Sorry steve.... Woo-Sa.... ok, I'm calmer.....

[Mariano]

Originally Posted by SkyCougar

I know Velo

You guys have the same registration date in JC. That's funny.

[Qgar]

Originally Posted by Mariano

You guys have the same registration date in JC. That's funny.

What are you, a conspiracy theorist? Actually, SkyCougar is 2/22 (AS AM I, as a matter of fact) and Velocipede is 2/24. What's your point -- we're all one person?

[Mariano]

Originally Posted by WildCougar

we're all one person?

Not, not at all, just pointing the amazing fact that you know each other, and were registered within a few days apart.

A fact that to me., no offense, is funny.

[Mariano]

Originally Posted by SkyCougar

I have no opinion one way or another on the matter because I don't know enough about t

I don't know what's your involvement with aviation, but I suppose that you are either a pro-pilot, a GA pilot, or are interested in becoming one of the two (or both).

Regardless, you should inform you self about this issue, because it is something that WILL have a serious effect in your plans. At least, of course, that you can spare $20,000 in a PPL or over 100.000 in a commercial.

And don't expect to have a lot of work as CFI, because there won't be as many schools as there are now, or many new students around to teach.

As a matter of fact, the traditional way of building hours instructing will be gone for ever, and it will be replaced by the "Gulfstream" method.

Exciting, isn't it?

[Mahesh]

Originally Posted by SkyCougar

I know Velo, and for the record, he IS a major airline captain who is simply stating his opinion on the matter. Just because you don't agree with him doesn't mean he should be called a troll. I have no opinion one way or another on the matter because I don't know enough about the issue, but Velocipede is indeed a major airline captain.

He has repeatedly posted saying that GA pilots pose a safety hazard and that they should just "go away" because he wants the airspace for his 737. I find that derogatory and I stated my opinion. He doesn't know who I am and how I fly. That is why I implied he was being troll-like.

That's great that he is an airline captain. However if he is going to post things that people find insulting, he should be ok dealing with the backlash.

[Champcar]

The over 100% rise in fuel tax and the $25 per flight charge BS will kill off GA slowly but surely.

[Velocipede]

Originally Posted by SteveC

Rule synopsis:
Don't post angry. Don't poke dangerous animals with a stick. Brush your teeth twice a day. Rinse, repeat.

Steve,

"Jarhead" is a term of endearment Navy guys use for Marines. It is not, repeat, not pejorative.