Doug - Seniority Question

[av8sean]

Hi Doug, could you give the years of seniority needed to hold international CA/FO for the 777/767 at Delta? Thanks!

[Doug Taylor]

FO on the 777 is about 98
CA on the 777 is significantly more senior at 87-88

CA on the 767/757 (domestic) is very roughly 91
CA on the 767 (international) is very roughly 91

CA on the MD-88 is late 98, early 99-ish

Very VERY rough numbers.

[Chewie von Nubbins]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

FO on the 777 is about 98
CA on the 777 is significantly more senior at 87-88

CA on the 767/757 (domestic) is very roughly 91
CA on the 767 (international) is very roughly 91

CA on the MD-88 is late 98, early 99-ish

Very VERY rough numbers.

Man....91...my grandpa would fit right in!

Would you be so kind to explain the 98, 91, 87-88 numbers again? I remember a post from a few months ago that stabbed at it, but I can't seem to find it.

Thanks in advance.

[Doug Taylor]

Add 1900 to that number to see what year the person was hired in.

[Chewie von Nubbins]

Thanks for the info. And, thanks for the...

I deserved it.

[206driver]

Ouch

[Doug Taylor]

Nah, I wasn't trying to be sarcastic, I just couldn't word it any different!

[Doug Taylor]

96 "unfilled" widebody seats from the last bid and the company is starting to ask, "why aren't people bidding these seats?"

Jerry McGuire baby!

[Minnesota_Flyer]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

96 "unfilled" widebody seats from the last bid and the company is starting to ask, "why aren't people bidding these seats?"

Jerry McGuire baby!

I'll bid it! Memememememememememe! ME!

[asl]

So Doug, with so many unfilled widebody seats, why aren't people bidding them?

[MQAAord]

The hassle of the commute isn't worth it.

Up the incentive, and people will bid it

Hence the Jerry Maguire reference, Show Me The Money!.



If the $ was better, Bill might have considered bidding it. But, the slight increase in pay wouldn't offset the commuting issues.

[JEP]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

96 "unfilled" widebody seats from the last bid and the company is starting to ask, "why aren't people bidding these seats?"

Jerry McGuire baby!

Show me the money......

so the reserve guys getting whacked....? or I guess the better questions is how are they flying those open seats?

[SBI]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

FO on the 777 is about 98
CA on the 777 is significantly more senior at 87-88

CA on the 767/757 (domestic) is very roughly 91
CA on the 767 (international) is very roughly 91

CA on the MD-88 is late 98, early 99-ish

Very VERY rough numbers.

Doug, this is probably a dumb questions, but I was curious why did you bid for 767 and not 777? Or in other words - why did you choose this bid over something else, providing your seniority allowed you to bid for something else?

[MQAAord]

He has a much choiceier sched on the 76 than he would on the 777.

There's more to bidding than just bidding something because your senority allows you to hold it. QOL, the commute, your relative senority in category (will you be junior reserve or will you be a lineholer), etc.

[Doug Taylor]

777 = monkeyballs reserve.
767ER = Happy Doug with some control over his schedule.

[staplegun]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

777 = monkeyballs reserve.
767ER = Happy Doug with some control over his schedule.

You can't hold the 777!

Kevin

P. S. I know he can't , because I can't!

[DE727UPS]

He did say they were rough numbers...

[MQAAord]

Speaking of bids, are the AE results out yet?

[Doug Taylor]

777 is down to mid 97 there Hannibal Lecter! at least on the last bid.

[amorris311]

where does the 777 fly? i know they fly atl to lax and then to tel aviv but past that where else do they fly?

[FutrLftSeat82]

I caught a flight on a 777 out of DEN to IAD once...super sweet!!

[OldTownPilot]

I know its not DL but at Continental newhires have gone directly into the 777 in EWR. Have fun on eternal reserve.

Thing is the 777 and 756 usually go junior in the classes, especially for people that dont want EWR. You have to wait 2 years to bid down, but can bid up at any time. The only way to get CLE is in the 737 and IAH is about a year wait on the 756, and youd be off reserve in EWR on the 777 before you could hold IAH.