How much did you spend on your PPL? - Page 2

MSUDAWG · April 29th, 2007, 13:09

FBO: RAS inc. Columbus, MS
Amount "Quoted" (if any): ??
Amount paid: 3200
Time period: Nov 03-June 04
How was your overall experience?: Incredible! I loved every bit of it, although I was working myself to death. Tues Thurs was no class so it was work the line at the FBO from 5am-130pm and fly at 2....I loved the "FBO Route" bc of all the diff. people I would run into...

Sprint100 · April 29th, 2007, 13:45

FBO: Justice Aviation
Amount "Quoted" (if any): No quote
Amount paid: 6K
Time period: Dec 2003 - Apr 2004
How was your overall experience?: The instructors were very knowledgable, but made learning to get a PPL seem like training for a job thus not being fun at all to go up. Since I was totally green regarding costs, I was in this super-expensive brand-new 172. In regards to the cost I would say my overall experience sucked for three reasons. #1 they knew how much money I had, since I had a Sallie Mae loan, and milked me for every penny by not being upfront about the lower costing planes and putting me in that expensive 172. If they were truly in it to get me finished they would have seen how much I had and tried to get it done under or as close as possible to that loan amount. #2 Lots more could have been accomplished with that loan amount and #3 ultimately I had 2 different instructors without much difference in regards to having fun learning to get my PPL.

H46Bubba · April 29th, 2007, 14:15

FBO: Pinnacle Aviation Academy (CRQ)
Amount "Quoted" (if any): $3500
Amount paid: $5000
Time period: 1.5 years '01-'02
How was your overall experience?: I started April 01 and got my PPL in Oct 02. Great instructor (got on at SKW just after I started Inst) Had to work on landings a bit so it took a little bit more time ot solo. 9/11 put a big hamper on completion as well as working almost seven days a week to support oversea deployments for OEF. Great airplane fleet and mx. Would go again in a heartbeat.

juxtapilot · April 29th, 2007, 14:38

FBO: Hillsboro Aviation (Hillsboro, OR)
Amount "Quoted" (if any): $5000
Amount paid: $4200
Time period: January '06 to August 06'
How was your overall experience?: Pretty decent, had a fantastic instructor.

BuickCFI · April 29th, 2007, 14:59

FBO: UND
Amount "Quoted" (if any): 6500
Amount paid: 7800
Time period: January '02 to early June '02
How was your overall experience?: OK, i had an instructor who wouldn't let me make a mistake so it took me about 15 hours more than it should have because i couldn't learn FROM my mistakes. total time was 60.0 after the checkride

Timbuff10 · April 29th, 2007, 15:23

FBO: McAir Aviation, Denver-Jeffco
Amount "Quoted" (if any): I think around $6,000 to $8,000
Amount paid: Around $6,000
Time period: April 03-Jan 04
How was your overall experience?: Very good, loved the school, older airplanes being phased out to a brand new fleet of 172s. Started trying to fly 2-3 days a week, WX usually cancelled one of those. Brand new instructor at the time so he tried hard. I did not count on having to pay the CFI for time before and after the flight though. That made the costs go up a bit. In the end, I didn't finish there as I ran out of money around the time where I started to do the solo cross countries and checkride prep. Ended up not flying much during the fall of 03 and then flew maybe once a month in the winter. After that I gave up and decided to go do the private and 90 day at ATP.

FBO: ATP private in Jax
Amount "Quoted" (if any): I think it was $5000 for 85 hrs
Amount paid: As quoted
Time period: 3 weeks in July 04
How was your overall experience?: Very fast paced, I finished very quickly. It was not as satisfying as if I had finished back in Denver but I got it done. I used the rest of the 85 hrs to fly with a CFI on IFR cross countries and got a bunch of actual IFR experience like this which proved to be very valuable when I started the 90 day twin training.

In all I loved the McAir experience even though I didn't finish there I know I easily could have if I stayed there. I liked it so much I went back and became an instructor there. After flying all over the country, I can say it is unlike any other flight school out there.

ATP is the no frills gets it done place. If you want to be an airline pilot this is the place to be.

Holding Short · April 29th, 2007, 15:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbuff10

FBO: McAir Aviation, Denver-Jeffco
Amount "Quoted" (if any): I think around $6,000 to $8,000
Amount paid: Around $6,000
Time period: April 03-Jan 04
How was your overall experience?: Very good, loved the school, older airplanes being phased out to a brand new fleet of 172s. Started trying to fly 2-3 days a week, WX usually cancelled one of those. Brand new instructor at the time so he tried hard. I did not count on having to pay the CFI for time before and after the flight though. That made the costs go up a bit. In the end, I didn't finish there as I ran out of money around the time where I started to do the solo cross countries and checkride prep. Ended up not flying much during the fall of 03 and then flew maybe once a month in the winter. After that I gave up and decided to go do the private and 90 day at ATP.

FBO: ATP private in Jax
Amount "Quoted" (if any): I think it was $5000 for 85 hrs
Amount paid: As quoted
Time period: 3 weeks in July 04
How was your overall experience?: Very fast paced, I finished very quickly. It was not as satisfying as if I had finished back in Denver but I got it done. I used the rest of the 85 hrs to fly with a CFI on IFR cross countries and got a bunch of actual IFR experience like this which proved to be very valuable when I started the 90 day twin training.

In all I loved the McAir experience even though I didn't finish there I know I easily could have if I stayed there. I liked it so much I went back and became an instructor there. After flying all over the country, I can say it is unlike any other flight school out there.

ATP is the no frills gets it done place. If you want to be an airline pilot this is the place to be.

And I'm Timbuff10 ... and I Approve this message.

Just playin'

HS

KLB · April 29th, 2007, 16:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by ComplexHiAv8r

I didn't know (or remember) you went to Delta State! GO OKRAS!!
Ok, I didn't go there (except for some MBA stuff), but lived there working at Baxter Healthcare for 6 years!

Were they still using the twin to spray for Mosiqutos when you were there??

They used a baron to do the spraying when I was there. Some unsmart people begged to fly right seat in that thing and was given the sole responsibility of turning the sprayer on and off.

Way to build that multi time.

I hope there kids come out alright with them being around all those chemicals and all. Hell I hope my kids come out alright from me being sprayed by all those chemicals.

Captain_Bob · April 29th, 2007, 16:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbuff10

ATP is the no frills gets it done place. If you want to be an airline pilot this is the place to be.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holding Short

And I'm Timbuff10 ... and I Approve this message.

Just playin'

HS

Lot's of debates currently being discussed in the forums now... let's keep this thread light and informative... like it's been already!

Thanks guys!

Bob

Fly_Unity · April 29th, 2007, 16:27

FBO: Spirit Mountain Aviation KCOD
Amount "Quoted" (if any): 6500
Amount paid: $4,500, 42 hours
Time period: 6 months
How was your overall experience? Learned at a small uncontrolled airport. It was a big adjustment going down south to the bigger airports with ATC

MarkE · April 29th, 2007, 17:11

FBO: Hollywood Aviators (KVNY)
Amount "Quoted" (if any): about $7k
Amount paid: $8,500, 78 hours
Time period: 1 year. Would have been sooner but had many wx delays
How was your overall experience? Learned at a controlled field with busy airspace. Overall was happy with the experience but will probably try to find someplace cheaper for the rest of my ratings.

Mav4840h · April 29th, 2007, 19:16

FBO: Aerotech (Louisville, KY)
Amount "Quoted" (if any): $4000
Amount paid: $8K
Time period: 6 months
How was your overall experience? Hated it. Instructor used me as a stepping stone.

Dugie8 · April 29th, 2007, 19:19

FBO: UND
Amount "Quoted" 5500
Amount paid: $~5000
Time period: 4 Months
How was your overall experience? Great. My ppl instructor are great friends to this day (and golly gee whiz, he wasn't a master CFI or even a gold seal CFI)

EineBeBoP · April 29th, 2007, 19:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrh

FBO: PS Air at the Eastern Iowa Airport in Cedar Rapids, Iowa (KCID).
Amount "Quoted" (if any): I don't remember.
Amount paid: About $5,000.
Time period: About 10 weeks during the summer of 2003
How was your overall experience?: Fantastic. I had a really nice, professional, competent CFI, the FBO treated me well, the plane was well maintained, the rental rates were reasonable, the weather was good....I could go on and on and on. I have nothing bad to say. I had a ton of fun and a lot of good memories from that summer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MQAAord

FBO:- Wings USA, Janesville WI (JVL)

Amount "Quoted" (if any):- No quote

Amount paid:- $5200

Time period:- 4 weeks. Yup, 4 weeks

How was your overall experience?:- Very good. I trained at the same FBO where my dad was the DOM, so I knew the airplanes were well-maintained

Shortly after I finished my PPL, (Nov 2001) my dad went full time teaching the AMT program at BTC in Janesville. My instructor loved me, I read what he told me to, I studied, I practiced, and it paid off in a quick license. I trained full-time, 4 days a week for 4 weeks. I aimed to train 5 days a week, but this was Wisconsin and I got weathered out of 1 day every week.

This was during my first furlough, immediately following 9/11. I was my instructor's only student, so he was darn happy to have a full-time student. I think during those 4 weeks I paid his rent and kept food on his table

He went to Ram Air freight, then Chicago Express, and he's now at Sky West. I had the opportunity to keep going full-time with my ratings, but that's where life takes one of those 'forks in the road'. Instead of keeping going and pursuing a pilot career, I got married and accepted my (AA F/A) recall & displacement to LGA. I was furloughed again 6 months later and along came the kids. Family meant more to me than flying, and I chose the family route instead of the pilot career route. A choice I do not regret, as airplanes will always be there for me to fly, and my career (whatever I choose it to be) will still be there for me to get back into when the kids are older.

Yep, I'm hoping my training is something between these.
I wanna finish by June. I want to be able to fly friends around this summer

I just gotta convince GDP's other job to let me borrow him more often during the week

USMC-SGT · April 29th, 2007, 19:51

FBO: Pacific Coast Flyers (flying club at KCRQ SoCal)
Amount "Quoted" (if any): N/A
Amount paid: roughly $4,000
Time period: Discovery flight at Pinnacle Aviation at KCRQ in January, First actual lesson with PCF in April and got license in November so 7 months at 51 hours
How was your overall experience? It was mediocre to good. My first instructor was a dud and after solo he sprained his ankle and couldnt fly for a week so it gave me a great excuse to ditch him. My second and final instructor was a total nut but a good dedicated guy with 7000+ hours so he was not a timebuilder. He was too nutty to get hired because no one would want to spend 8 hours in a cockpit with him. He got the job done though and we had a good time doing it

Doug Taylor · April 29th, 2007, 19:54

FBO: Gryphon Aviation
Amount "Quoted" (if any): Approx $2300
Amount paid: Approx $2000
Time period: 1988
How was your overall experience?: Great!

Bob -- Doug! Damn glad to meet ya!

TheOneMarine · April 29th, 2007, 20:03

FBO: Orlando Flight Training
Amount "Quoted": $7500
Amount paid: $7300
Time period: 2 1/2 months
How was your overall experience? Great with the CFI I had (very honest, refused to milk me for time) however the FBO itself is shady and I wouldn't recommend it.

BuickCFI · April 29th, 2007, 20:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dugie8

FBO: UND
Amount "Quoted" 5500
Amount paid: $~5000
Time period: 4 Months
How was your overall experience? Great. My ppl instructor are great friends to this day (and golly gee whiz, he wasn't a master CFI or even a gold seal CFI)

i didn't make friends with any of my instructors, i had some really good ones, but once they left for the airlines i lost contact. Chris Florin was the best one i had, very knowledgible.

my PPL and my 221 instructor were pretty crappy IMHO, didn't care at all just wanted that airline gig

pilot4500 · April 29th, 2007, 22:46

Academy: Airman Flight School, Norman, OK (Went out of business in 2005)
Amount "Quoted" (if any): $5,000
Amount paid: $5,000
Time period: Early 2001. 2 months. I was flying 6 days a week.
How was your overall experience?: Excellent. Great instructors who loved to fly. The airplanes were old but well maintained.

Dugie8 · April 29th, 2007, 22:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuickCFI

i didn't make friends with any of my instructors, i had some really good ones, but once they left for the airlines i lost contact. Chris Florin was the best one i had, very knowledgible.

my PPL and my 221 instructor were pretty crappy IMHO, didn't care at all just wanted that airline gig

Chris Florin was/is good people.

seagull · April 29th, 2007, 23:42

Well, not sure about 1967, but in 1976-77 it cost me about $600 in SoCal. I had about 60 hours when I took by checkride, as I had completed most of my training about 6 months before I was 17, so had to keep flying enough to not "lose" it.

C-150 was around $9/hr and a CFI was about $10, as I recall. I had about 30 hours solo of that time, and part was paid by a program in my high school.

Captain_Bob · April 30th, 2007, 01:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Bob -- Doug! Damn glad to meet ya!

Eh... you cut and pasted a bit too much there... LOL!

MSUDAWG · April 30th, 2007, 01:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by seagull

Well, not sure about 1967, but in 1976-77 it cost me about $600 in SoCal.

wow thats about what you have to pay an examiner in some places! haha

Trip7 · April 30th, 2007, 02:06

FBO: University of Dubuque
Amount "Quoted" (if any): $3600
Amount paid: Around $5000
Time period: 10 months
How was your overall experience?: Great after I quit college football!

Tram · April 30th, 2007, 02:14

FBO: Wallace State University/Blue Diamond Aviation..
Amount "Quoted" (if any): Eh, I dunno..
Amount paid: About $6K..
Time period: Oh boy. Let's see..My dad was my "real" instructor, but he was not a civvy instructor, so I had to sit with another guy for the 20 hours.. I solo'd in '99.. Hated the school. Didn't fly much for a year.. Found a rockin' old dude to play instructor.. Finally got serious and finished up in Nov 03..
How was your overall experience?: First school sucked.. Second mom and pop shop rocked...

April 29th, 2007, 13:09	#26
MSUDAWG Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Memphis Posts: 590	Re: How much did you spend on your PPL? FBO: RAS inc. Columbus, MS Amount "Quoted" (if any): ?? Amount paid: 3200 Time period: Nov 03-June 04 How was your overall experience?: Incredible! I loved every bit of it, although I was working myself to death. Tues Thurs was no class so it was work the line at the FBO from 5am-130pm and fly at 2....I loved the "FBO Route" bc of all the diff. people I would run into...

April 29th, 2007, 13:45	#27
Sprint100 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In my Cozy garage Posts: 6,272	Re: How much did you spend on your PPL? FBO: Justice Aviation Amount "Quoted" (if any): No quote Amount paid: 6K Time period: Dec 2003 - Apr 2004 How was your overall experience?: The instructors were very knowledgable, but made learning to get a PPL seem like training for a job thus not being fun at all to go up. Since I was totally green regarding costs, I was in this super-expensive brand-new 172. In regards to the cost I would say my overall experience sucked for three reasons. #1 they knew how much money I had, since I had a Sallie Mae loan, and milked me for every penny by not being upfront about the lower costing planes and putting me in that expensive 172. If they were truly in it to get me finished they would have seen how much I had and tried to get it done under or as close as possible to that loan amount. #2 Lots more could have been accomplished with that loan amount and #3 ultimately I had 2 different instructors without much difference in regards to having fun learning to get my PPL. __________________ Excellence is not a single act, but a habit. "I have learned over the years that when one's mind is made up, that diminshes fear" - Rosa Parks

April 29th, 2007, 14:15	#28
H46Bubba Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: CVG Posts: 4,465	Re: How much did you spend on your PPL? FBO: Pinnacle Aviation Academy (CRQ) Amount "Quoted" (if any): $3500 Amount paid: $5000 Time period: 1.5 years '01-'02 How was your overall experience?: I started April 01 and got my PPL in Oct 02. Great instructor (got on at SKW just after I started Inst) Had to work on landings a bit so it took a little bit more time ot solo. 9/11 put a big hamper on completion as well as working almost seven days a week to support oversea deployments for OEF. Great airplane fleet and mx. Would go again in a heartbeat.

April 29th, 2007, 14:38	#29
juxtapilot Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Portland Posts: 1,032	Re: How much did you spend on your PPL? FBO: Hillsboro Aviation (Hillsboro, OR) Amount "Quoted" (if any): $5000 Amount paid: $4200 Time period: January '06 to August 06' How was your overall experience?: Pretty decent, had a fantastic instructor.

April 29th, 2007, 14:59	#30
BuickCFI Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South of the Border Posts: 2,054	Re: How much did you spend on your PPL? FBO: UND Amount "Quoted" (if any): 6500 Amount paid: 7800 Time period: January '02 to early June '02 How was your overall experience?: OK, i had an instructor who wouldn't let me make a mistake so it took me about 15 hours more than it should have because i couldn't learn FROM my mistakes. total time was 60.0 after the checkride __________________ CFI, CFII, MEI -Why is it when two planes almost hit each other it is called a near miss? Shouldn't it be called a near hit?

April 29th, 2007, 15:23	#31
Timbuff10 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Coloradan in Orange County, CA Posts: 3,235	Re: How much did you spend on your PPL? FBO: McAir Aviation, Denver-Jeffco Amount "Quoted" (if any): I think around $6,000 to $8,000 Amount paid: Around $6,000 Time period: April 03-Jan 04 How was your overall experience?: Very good, loved the school, older airplanes being phased out to a brand new fleet of 172s. Started trying to fly 2-3 days a week, WX usually cancelled one of those. Brand new instructor at the time so he tried hard. I did not count on having to pay the CFI for time before and after the flight though. That made the costs go up a bit. In the end, I didn't finish there as I ran out of money around the time where I started to do the solo cross countries and checkride prep. Ended up not flying much during the fall of 03 and then flew maybe once a month in the winter. After that I gave up and decided to go do the private and 90 day at ATP. FBO: ATP private in Jax Amount "Quoted" (if any): I think it was $5000 for 85 hrs Amount paid: As quoted Time period: 3 weeks in July 04 How was your overall experience?: Very fast paced, I finished very quickly. It was not as satisfying as if I had finished back in Denver but I got it done. I used the rest of the 85 hrs to fly with a CFI on IFR cross countries and got a bunch of actual IFR experience like this which proved to be very valuable when I started the 90 day twin training. In all I loved the McAir experience even though I didn't finish there I know I easily could have if I stayed there. I liked it so much I went back and became an instructor there. After flying all over the country, I can say it is unlike any other flight school out there. ATP is the no frills gets it done place. If you want to be an airline pilot this is the place to be. __________________ My Photography My Airliners.net photos

April 29th, 2007, 16:27	#35
Fly_Unity Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 323	Re: How much did you spend on your PPL? FBO: Spirit Mountain Aviation KCOD Amount "Quoted" (if any): 6500 Amount paid: $4,500, 42 hours Time period: 6 months How was your overall experience? Learned at a small uncontrolled airport. It was a big adjustment going down south to the bigger airports with ATC

April 29th, 2007, 17:11	#36
MarkE Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tarzana, CA (KVNY) Posts: 1,696	Re: How much did you spend on your PPL? FBO: Hollywood Aviators (KVNY) Amount "Quoted" (if any): about $7k Amount paid: $8,500, 78 hours Time period: 1 year. Would have been sooner but had many wx delays How was your overall experience? Learned at a controlled field with busy airspace. Overall was happy with the experience but will probably try to find someplace cheaper for the rest of my ratings.

April 29th, 2007, 19:16	#37
Mav4840h Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: CVG Posts: 88	Re: How much did you spend on your PPL? FBO: Aerotech (Louisville, KY) Amount "Quoted" (if any): $4000 Amount paid: $8K Time period: 6 months How was your overall experience? Hated it. Instructor used me as a stepping stone.

April 29th, 2007, 19:19	#38
Dugie8 Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: KRST Posts: 1,819	Re: How much did you spend on your PPL? FBO: UND Amount "Quoted" 5500 Amount paid: $~5000 Time period: 4 Months How was your overall experience? Great. My ppl instructor are great friends to this day (and golly gee whiz, he wasn't a master CFI or even a gold seal CFI) __________________ Aircraft without engine(s) prohibited... -KMIA 10-9

April 29th, 2007, 19:51	#40
USMC-SGT Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: East Posts: 1,172	Re: How much did you spend on your PPL? FBO: Pacific Coast Flyers (flying club at KCRQ SoCal) Amount "Quoted" (if any): N/A Amount paid: roughly $4,000 Time period: Discovery flight at Pinnacle Aviation at KCRQ in January, First actual lesson with PCF in April and got license in November so 7 months at 51 hours How was your overall experience? It was mediocre to good. My first instructor was a dud and after solo he sprained his ankle and couldnt fly for a week so it gave me a great excuse to ditch him. My second and final instructor was a total nut but a good dedicated guy with 7000+ hours so he was not a timebuilder. He was too nutty to get hired because no one would want to spend 8 hours in a cockpit with him. He got the job done though and we had a good time doing it __________________ .....i have two speeds, walk and kill

April 29th, 2007, 19:54	#41
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,926 Blog Entries: 1	Re: How much did you spend on your PPL? FBO: Gryphon Aviation Amount "Quoted" (if any): Approx $2300 Amount paid: Approx $2000 Time period: 1988 How was your overall experience?: Great! Bob -- Doug! Damn glad to meet ya! __________________ Doug Taylor http://76school.flyblog.com (old!) http://30west.flyblog.com (updated 11/28)

April 29th, 2007, 20:03	#42
TheOneMarine Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: If it isn't ORL, I'm not happy :( Posts: 655	Re: How much did you spend on your PPL? FBO: Orlando Flight Training Amount "Quoted": $7500 Amount paid: $7300 Time period: 2 1/2 months How was your overall experience? Great with the CFI I had (very honest, refused to milk me for time) however the FBO itself is shady and I wouldn't recommend it. __________________ -Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked someone so hard that his foot broke the speed of light, went back in time, and killed Amelia Earhart while she was flying over the Pacific Ocean.

April 29th, 2007, 22:46	#44
pilot4500 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Albemarle, NC Posts: 550	Re: How much did you spend on your PPL? Academy: Airman Flight School, Norman, OK (Went out of business in 2005) Amount "Quoted" (if any): $5,000 Amount paid: $5,000 Time period: Early 2001. 2 months. I was flying 6 days a week. How was your overall experience?: Excellent. Great instructors who loved to fly. The airplanes were old but well maintained. __________________ Commercial Pilot ASEL, AMEL, Instrument Airplane CFI, CFI-I 4,100 TT 1,150 ME 252 Actual Instrument 1,862 Dual Given http://www.myspace.com/airplanedriver

April 29th, 2007, 23:42	#46
seagull Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,045	Re: How much did you spend on your PPL? Well, not sure about 1967, but in 1976-77 it cost me about $600 in SoCal. I had about 60 hours when I took by checkride, as I had completed most of my training about 6 months before I was 17, so had to keep flying enough to not "lose" it. C-150 was around $9/hr and a CFI was about $10, as I recall. I had about 30 hours solo of that time, and part was paid by a program in my high school.

April 30th, 2007, 02:06	#49
Trip7 Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: ATL Posts: 2,042	Re: How much did you spend on your PPL? FBO: University of Dubuque Amount "Quoted" (if any): $3600 Amount paid: Around $5000 Time period: 10 months How was your overall experience?: Great after I quit college football! __________________ Comm-ASEL, MEL, Inst. CFI, CFII, MEI TT: 700 Part 121 ATR72 FO B.S. Aviation Management-Business Minor Southeastern Oklahoma State University Cum Laude Graduate

April 30th, 2007, 02:14	#50
Tram Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: KMSL Posts: 1,845	Re: How much did you spend on your PPL? FBO: Wallace State University/Blue Diamond Aviation.. Amount "Quoted" (if any): Eh, I dunno.. Amount paid: About $6K.. Time period: Oh boy. Let's see..My dad was my "real" instructor, but he was not a civvy instructor, so I had to sit with another guy for the 20 hours.. I solo'd in '99.. Hated the school. Didn't fly much for a year.. Found a rockin' old dude to play instructor.. Finally got serious and finished up in Nov 03.. How was your overall experience?: First school sucked.. Second mom and pop shop rocked... __________________ I flew the 757-200 sim at NATCO DANGIT...ON ONE ENGINE OUT OF EAGLE COLORADO AND THEN CIRCUMNAVIGATED A THUNDERSTORM!!! And what do these PAX do?! Glare at me..

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