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mtsu_av8er · August 6th, 2003, 14:38

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I have a big problem with Bush.....

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You big "politic", you!!

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Hey, RTF...you know me!!! Always trying to dig at a sore spot someplace...

pilot602 · August 6th, 2003, 14:40

The biggest hit to the economy was the lost faith in large business (after Enron ... the followed by 9/11). And Bush and his Cabinet can do many things about corporate fraud/greed but seeing as "them be his buddies" he's not going to touch it with a 50 foot pole.

n77j · August 6th, 2003, 14:40

Marinenav,
That was a very intersting and motivating article. As to why this thread became a Nepotism, race, and so forth issue is nothing but jealousy. The moral of the story is that determination and hard work is the key to becoming an airline pilot. Two years ago when i was taking a flight engineering class at SJSU, one of my teachers was a United B737 Captain and an SJSU alumuni. He was hired in 1992 with 1,050 hrs.TT (all piston) and 90 hrs of multi-time. How did he do it? Internship with United and keeping in touch with those he worked with in DEN. Therefore, in addition this peice of articel goes on to show everyone how importnat it is to NETWORK besides your TT time!

cime_sp · August 6th, 2003, 14:42

Go back and take a look at the charts....the stocks and economy were on their way into the crapper LONG before 9/11.

That may have just been the last straw....OK maybe the lead pipe that finally broke the camels back......but he was limping there for a while!!!

fly22 · August 6th, 2003, 14:45

True Pres. Bush can do many things about fraud and large corp. dealings, but the people are the ones responsible for their fuel and wealth. Society influences the stock exchange. The problem is that most americans are followers and believe what they hear from people higher up on the todem pole. This is surely different for people on this forum because for the most part pilots aren't followers in nature.

Mr_Creepy · August 6th, 2003, 16:27

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But I do have a problem with Bush and his ridiculous TFRs and FRZs and ADIZs. Anyone here disagree with me on that?

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Yeah I do. I don't think the president is responsible for these. I believe it is the TSA that sets policy for TFRs, much to the chagrin of the FAA. I know the local FSDO has been trying (unsuccessfully) to remove the Disney TFR.

It may be another branch of Homeland Security, but the scuttlebutt around here is that the TSA has a lot more power than they should.

Thanks Tom Daeschle!

fly22 · August 6th, 2003, 16:41

Agreed

pilot602 · August 6th, 2003, 16:41

JT, Bush ordered the creation the TSA and later the Department of Homeland Security.

From the TSA's own Web site:

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For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
November 19, 2001

President Signs Aviation Security Legislation
Remarks by the President at Signing of Aviation Security Legislation
Ronald Reagan National Airport
Washington, D.C.

10:53 A.M. EST

THE PRESIDENT: #Thank you all very much. #Today, we take permanent and aggressive steps to improve the security of our airways. #The events of September the 11th were a call to action. #And the Congress has now responded.

The law I will sign should give all Americans greater confidence when they fly. #All members of Congress care deeply about this issue. #Despite divergent views, the Congress worked closely with my administration to develop a bipartisan conclusion that will help protect American air travelers.

I want to thank the House and Senate leadership for their patience in this issue. #I want to thank the Speaker and the Minority Leader; the Leader of the Senate, Senator Lott; for working hard to make sure this bill came to fruition.

I also want to thank Chairman Don Young and John Mica and Jim Oberstar who have joined us today from the House. #I want to thank you for your hard work. #And I want to thank members of the United States Senate: #Chairman Hollings and John McCain and Kay Bailey Hutchison for their hard work.

I appreciate so very much the Secretary of Transportation and his steadiness and his ability to bring confidence to the process. #I picked a good man in Norm Mineta, who is rising to the occasion.

I also want to thank his deputy, Michael Jackson, for his hard work. #As well, I appreciate Jane Garvey joining us up here today. #I see other members of Congress who are here. #Thank you all for coming. #I appreciate you doing the right thing for America.

I also want to thank the pilots and flight attendants and the people of the airline industry who have joined us today. #I want to thank you for your courage in the face of terror. #I want to thank you for inspiring confidence amongst the American people.

The broad support for this bill shows that our country is united in this crisis. #We have our political differences, but we're united to defend our country. #And we're united to protect our people. #For our airways, there is one supreme priority: #Security.

Since September the 11th, the federal government has taken action to raise safety standards. #We've made funds available to the aviation industry to fortify cockpits. #More federal air marshals now ride on our airplanes. #The Department of Transportation instituted a zero-tolerance crackdown on security breaches.

Our National Guard protects us in our airports. #And I want to thank the National Guard's men and women who will be working the holiday season. #I want to thank them for being away from their families, thank them for providing more security for people who travel.

I appreciate the work the airlines have done with the Federal Aviation Administration. #The airlines have started intense nighttime security sweeps of aircraft. #They've tightened background checks for employees and implemented non-discriminatory government-approved criterion for identifying passengers who require additional security.

Now, we take the next important step. #For the first time, airport security will become a direct federal responsibility. #Overseen by a new Under Secretary of Transportation for Security. #Additional funds will be provided for federal air marshals. #And a new team of federal security managers, supervisors, law enforcement officers and screeners will ensure all passengers and carry-on bags are inspected thoroughly and effectively. #The new security force will be well-trained, made up of U.S. citizens. #And if any of its members do not perform, the new Under Secretary will have full authority to discipline or remove them.

At the same time, we will adopt strict new requirements to screen checked baggage, to tighten security in all other areas of airports, and to provide greater security for travelers by bus and by train. #This bill sets a one-year deadline for the transition to the new system. #It gives my administration the flexibility we need to make that transition work.

Ultimately, this bill offers local authorities the option to bring in outside experts, a method that's worked well in Israel and Western Europe, provided those outside experts can meet our rigorous new safety standards and requirements.

Security comes first. #The federal government will set high standards, and we will enforce them. #These have been difficult days for Americans who fly and for American aviation. #A proud industry has been hit hard. #Butthis nation has seen the dedication and spirit of our pilots and flight crews, and the hundreds of thousands of hard-working people who keep America flying. #We know they will endure. #I'm confident this industry will grow and prosper.

The holidays will soon be here. #Even after the last few months, we have much to be thankful for. #We have a great country. #We're a great people. #We have our faith, our families, and our friends. #And, thanks to this bill, we have a new commitment to security in the air. #And that's good news, as Americans travel to celebrate this season with their loved ones.

It is now my honor to sign this important piece of legislation. (Applause.) (The bill is signed.) (Applause.)

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*emphasis added.

So, thank you Mr. Bush!

Center_Mid · August 6th, 2003, 16:46

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It may be another branch of Homeland Security, but the scuttlebutt around here is that the TSA has a lot more power than they should.

Thanks Tom Daeschle!

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But the TSA is part of the Dept. of Homeland Security (which is part of the executive branch of government). The TSA administrator is directly accountable to Sec. Tom Ridge, who answers directly to President Bush. Congess has oversight, but cannot really order the TSA to do anything. If it was important enough, Bush could snap his fingers and do away with the restrictions.

fly22 · August 6th, 2003, 16:51

Its not as simple as snap your fingers. Nothing good in life is.

pilot602 · August 6th, 2003, 16:55

But the tSA was created before the DHS was established. Once DHS was setup the tSA was folded into it. Either way it was a Rep run show (even if Dems voted for it) and it still is (meaning it obviously sucks but Bushy isn't doing anything to fix it - he's too worried about playing assinator and going after/killing individuals).

fly22 · August 6th, 2003, 17:01

I would have to agree that some of our efforts our toward the wrong direction. Personally I'm tired of us policing the world

Center_Mid · August 6th, 2003, 17:15

Well, he might be able to issue an Executive Order abolishing any FAA/TSA restriction, but I'm not sure. At the very least, Bush could make it a priority and get people to jump on it.

Will it happen? Probably not, but the Dems certainly don't control it.

Mr_Creepy · August 6th, 2003, 17:27

Guys Guys Guys.

The TSA came about before Homeland Security. It was a result of the insistence by democrats that we "federalize" the airport screeners.

"In order to professionalize, you must federalize" - direct quote of Sen. Daeschle.

All that other rhetoric is just that, rhetoric. Yes Bush supported it. It would have been political suicude for him not to!

TSA is definitely not in accordance with GOP ideals. If so, it would have been privatized.

August 6th, 2003, 20:09

Alright I don't mean to derail this thread as it is has been very entertaining debate so far, but did anyone else catch this?

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In the seat next to her, the captain, 52, noted her speed — 500 mph, too fast for this late in the process

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I'm no 737 cap but 500 mph to fast on final??...LMAO!!

mtsu_av8er · August 6th, 2003, 22:59

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Alright I don't mean to derail this thread as it is has been very entertaining debate so far, but did anyone else catch this?

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In the seat next to her, the captain, 52, noted her speed — 500 mph, too fast for this late in the process

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I'm no 737 cap but 500 mph to fast on final??...LMAO!!

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I thought about this too...I think that it may have been a non-pilot's description of an entire transition from cruise, through descent and onto the approach phase.....

Boltonpilot · August 7th, 2003, 00:46

Wow, it's amazing how the conversation has changed from one thing to another. I was happy to hear such a lifting story like this about these two pilots. I hate the fact that SWA is now demanding a B737 type rating prior to an interview, (guess that means that I won't be flying for them

: I don't have money flooding out of my ears to go through flight school AND that too.)

Well now that the conversation has changed to politics, I was glad to see the comment that Fly22 made. I will say that I'm also sick of seeing our military policing the entire world. We are now going into Liberia alone without any help from the UN. For one thing, we're nice guys, and a country that has had quite a few parallels with it's founding and our beginnings, is in need of help. Yet other countries in the UN are proving that (once again,) they are without a spine to aid us.

I would also like to say that it is ignorant for us to point the finger at Bush for all the economic doubt and failure that has been occuring. First of which, the stock market was falling before Bush came into office. Second of all, the economy, which is based on public confidence, was shattered by Sep. 11, as well as the fraud among CEOs of large compainies. How is it, that we can blame this on Bush? I know that it should be in his very best interests that he should look to boost confidence, and he has shown efforts to do such thing. Although it does not help with the debt problem, his tax cuts were intentionally placed to boost confidence by giving more money to citizens. In turn, this action was a double-edged sword. Regardless, the Dow has improved, and we are back in the 9000's. Notably, airline stocks have taken quite the jump as well, (AWA most noticable I believe.)

Mr_Creepy · August 7th, 2003, 06:17

stdntplt86 - well said. Of course "W" is the focal point of these political attacks, he is the GOP "point man."

I hope you others understand that 500mph indicated is way too fast for any B737 to flying at any altitude! First of all, speeds are in knots, and indicated airspeed at any altitude is restricted to 335 kts in the 700 model.

In fact up at 410 the speed is usually around 265 or 270 kts for a .78 cruise - don't quote me on those #'s I haven't flown a 737 since august 2001.

ready2fly · August 7th, 2003, 06:53

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don't quote me on those #'s I haven't flown a 737 since august 2001.

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Any chance you'll get your slot back when things pick up?? Forgive me for forgetting, but what airline where you with on the 737?

August 7th, 2003, 08:21

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"In order to professionalize, you must federalize"

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He had to have consulted with Johnny Cochran before coming up with that humdinger.

Center_Mid · August 7th, 2003, 09:50

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I would also like to say that it is ignorant for us to point the finger at Bush for all the economic doubt and failure that has been occuring. First of which, the stock market was falling before Bush came into office. Second of all, the economy, which is based on public confidence, was shattered by Sep. 11, as well as the fraud among CEOs of large compainies. How is it, that we can blame this on Bush?

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Yeah, but don't you think he'll take the ENTIRE credit if the economy turns around and soars by 2004??? Of course he will! Learn this well - politics is more often about perception than reality. If people think that your policies helped the economy, then you win elections. If people think that your policies hurt the economy, then you lose elections. The fact that the economy is influenced by a ba-zillion factors won't mean squat. Why not? Because it takes too long to explain in a speech and won't play well on TV.

As far as the TSA goes, it doesn't matter if it was a Dem idea, it's an executive agency. Executive - i.e, the President controls it. Remember civics class? If you want to make changes to the TSA, then write Bush, not Daschle. If you want to abolish the TSA, well, tough - it ain't gonna happen. As Tenney points out, it would be political suicide to do so, because it would look like Bush was dismantling anti-terrorist protections. The private sector demonstrated that they couldn't hack it when it mattered - even after 9/11.

ready2fly · August 7th, 2003, 10:52

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The TSA came about before Homeland Security. It was a result of the insistence by democrats that we "federalize" the airport screeners.

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That might be true, but if TSA had turned out to be the best thing since sliced bread and everybody just adored the TSA, you can guaran-damn-TEE that the Repubs would be strutting around singing "Looky what Bush did!!"

But, since it's highly unpopular = "It was the Dems idea."

Spin, spin, spin, spiiiiiinnnnnnn.

tonyw · August 7th, 2003, 22:43

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But I do have a problem with Bush and his ridiculous TFRs and FRZs and ADIZs. Anyone here disagree with me on that?

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Yeah I do. I don't think the president is responsible for these. I believe it is the TSA that sets policy for TFRs, much to the chagrin of the FAA.

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Sure, but Bush is the President, and he's in charge of the TSA. As Harry Truman said, the buck stops with the President. And if Bush didn't want a TSA, then he could have vetoed the legislation.

Besides, the 30 mile TFRs are because of him, right? The FRZ and the ADIZ is there in large part due to the Secret Service, which has a mission of doing what? Making sure the President is safe.

So if Bush said, we don't need 30 mile TFRs around me, and we don't need an ADIZ and FRZ, they'd go away because the Secret Service -- and the rest of the government -- answers to him.

MikeD · August 8th, 2003, 14:58

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Sure, but Bush is the President, and he's in charge of the TSA. As Harry Truman said, the buck stops with the President. And if Bush didn't want a TSA, then he could have vetoed the legislation.

Besides, the 30 mile TFRs are because of him, right? The FRZ and the ADIZ is there in large part due to the Secret Service, which has a mission of doing what? Making sure the President is safe.

So if Bush said, we don't need 30 mile TFRs around me, and we don't need an ADIZ and FRZ, they'd go away because the Secret Service -- and the rest of the government -- answers to him.

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With Bush stopping at my base in Tucson on Monday, I'm going to be very curious as to the NOTAMS that'll be in place.

August 6th, 2003, 14:38	#51
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,403	Re: Very telling quote... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I have a big problem with Bush..... [/ QUOTE ] You big "politic", you!! [/ QUOTE ] Hey, RTF...you know me!!! Always trying to dig at a sore spot someplace...

August 6th, 2003, 14:40	#52
pilot602 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: who haa Posts: 3,750	Re: Very telling quote... The biggest hit to the economy was the lost faith in large business (after Enron ... the followed by 9/11). And Bush and his Cabinet can do many things about corporate fraud/greed but seeing as "them be his buddies" he's not going to touch it with a 50 foot pole.

August 6th, 2003, 14:40	#53
n77j Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: haytown,california Posts: 267	Re: Very telling quote... Marinenav, That was a very intersting and motivating article. As to why this thread became a Nepotism, race, and so forth issue is nothing but jealousy. The moral of the story is that determination and hard work is the key to becoming an airline pilot. Two years ago when i was taking a flight engineering class at SJSU, one of my teachers was a United B737 Captain and an SJSU alumuni. He was hired in 1992 with 1,050 hrs.TT (all piston) and 90 hrs of multi-time. How did he do it? Internship with United and keeping in touch with those he worked with in DEN. Therefore, in addition this peice of articel goes on to show everyone how importnat it is to NETWORK besides your TT time!

August 6th, 2003, 14:42	#54
cime_sp Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ATL Posts: 774	Re: Very telling quote... Go back and take a look at the charts....the stocks and economy were on their way into the crapper LONG before 9/11. That may have just been the last straw....OK maybe the lead pipe that finally broke the camels back......but he was limping there for a while!!!

August 6th, 2003, 14:45	#55
fly22 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UT, SLC Posts: 1,489	Re: Very telling quote... True Pres. Bush can do many things about fraud and large corp. dealings, but the people are the ones responsible for their fuel and wealth. Society influences the stock exchange. The problem is that most americans are followers and believe what they hear from people higher up on the todem pole. This is surely different for people on this forum because for the most part pilots aren't followers in nature.

August 6th, 2003, 16:27	#56
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: Very telling quote... [ QUOTE ] But I do have a problem with Bush and his ridiculous TFRs and FRZs and ADIZs. Anyone here disagree with me on that? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah I do. I don't think the president is responsible for these. I believe it is the TSA that sets policy for TFRs, much to the chagrin of the FAA. I know the local FSDO has been trying (unsuccessfully) to remove the Disney TFR. It may be another branch of Homeland Security, but the scuttlebutt around here is that the TSA has a lot more power than they should. Thanks Tom Daeschle!

August 6th, 2003, 16:41	#57
fly22 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UT, SLC Posts: 1,489	Re: Very telling quote... Agreed

August 6th, 2003, 16:41	#58
pilot602 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: who haa Posts: 3,750	Re: Very telling quote... JT, Bush ordered the creation the TSA and later the Department of Homeland Security. From the TSA's own Web site: [ QUOTE ] For Immediate Release Office of the Press Secretary November 19, 2001 President Signs Aviation Security Legislation Remarks by the President at Signing of Aviation Security Legislation Ronald Reagan National Airport Washington, D.C. 10:53 A.M. EST THE PRESIDENT: #Thank you all very much. #Today, we take permanent and aggressive steps to improve the security of our airways. #The events of September the 11th were a call to action. #And the Congress has now responded. The law I will sign should give all Americans greater confidence when they fly. #All members of Congress care deeply about this issue. #*Despite divergent views, the Congress worked closely with my administration* to develop a bipartisan conclusion that will help protect American air travelers.** I want to thank the House and Senate leadership for their patience in this issue. #I want to thank the Speaker and the Minority Leader; the Leader of the Senate, Senator Lott; for working hard to make sure this bill came to fruition. I also want to thank Chairman Don Young and John Mica and Jim Oberstar who have joined us today from the House. #I want to thank you for your hard work. #And I want to thank members of the United States Senate: #Chairman Hollings and John McCain and Kay Bailey Hutchison for their hard work. I appreciate so very much the Secretary of Transportation and his steadiness and his ability to bring confidence to the process. #I picked a good man in Norm Mineta, who is rising to the occasion. I also want to thank his deputy, Michael Jackson, for his hard work. #As well, I appreciate Jane Garvey joining us up here today. #I see other members of Congress who are here. #Thank you all for coming. #I appreciate you doing the right thing for America. I also want to thank the pilots and flight attendants and the people of the airline industry who have joined us today. #I want to thank you for your courage in the face of terror. #I want to thank you for inspiring confidence amongst the American people. The broad support for this bill shows that our country is united in this crisis. #We have our political differences, but we're united to defend our country. #And we're united to protect our people. #For our airways, there is one supreme priority: #Security. Since September the 11th, the federal government has taken action to raise safety standards. #We've made funds available to the aviation industry to fortify cockpits. #More federal air marshals now ride on our airplanes. #The Department of Transportation instituted a zero-tolerance crackdown on security breaches. Our National Guard protects us in our airports. #And I want to thank the National Guard's men and women who will be working the holiday season. #I want to thank them for being away from their families, thank them for providing more security for people who travel. I appreciate the work the airlines have done with the Federal Aviation Administration. #The airlines have started intense nighttime security sweeps of aircraft. #They've tightened background checks for employees and implemented non-discriminatory government-approved criterion for identifying passengers who require additional security. Now, we take the next important step. #For the first time, airport security will become a direct federal responsibility. #Overseen by a new Under Secretary of Transportation for Security. #Additional funds will be provided for federal air marshals. #And a new team of federal security managers, supervisors, law enforcement officers and screeners will ensure all passengers and carry-on bags are inspected thoroughly and effectively. #The new security force will be well-trained, made up of U.S. citizens. #And if any of its members do not perform, the new Under Secretary will have full authority to discipline or remove them. At the same time, we will adopt strict new requirements to screen checked baggage, to tighten security in all other areas of airports, and to provide greater security for travelers by bus and by train. #This bill sets a one-year deadline for the transition to the new system. #It gives my administration the flexibility we need to make that transition work. Ultimately, this bill offers local authorities the option to bring in outside experts, a method that's worked well in Israel and Western Europe, provided those outside experts can meet our rigorous new safety standards and requirements. Security comes first. #The federal government will set high standards, and we will enforce them. #These have been difficult days for Americans who fly and for American aviation. #A proud industry has been hit hard. #Butthis nation has seen the dedication and spirit of our pilots and flight crews, and the hundreds of thousands of hard-working people who keep America flying. #We know they will endure. #I'm confident this industry will grow and prosper. The holidays will soon be here. #Even after the last few months, we have much to be thankful for. #We have a great country. #We're a great people. #We have our faith, our families, and our friends. #And, thanks to this bill, we have a new commitment to security in the air. #And that's good news, as Americans travel to celebrate this season with their loved ones. It is now my honor to sign this important piece of legislation. (Applause.) (The bill is signed.) (Applause.) [/ QUOTE ] *emphasis added. So, thank you Mr. Bush!

August 6th, 2003, 16:46	#59
Center_Mid Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 213	Re: Very telling quote... [ QUOTE ] It may be another branch of Homeland Security, but the scuttlebutt around here is that the TSA has a lot more power than they should. Thanks Tom Daeschle! [/ QUOTE ] But the TSA is part of the Dept. of Homeland Security (which is part of the executive branch of government). The TSA administrator is directly accountable to Sec. Tom Ridge, who answers directly to President Bush. Congess has oversight, but cannot really order the TSA to do anything. If it was important enough, Bush could snap his fingers and do away with the restrictions.

August 6th, 2003, 16:51	#60
fly22 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UT, SLC Posts: 1,489	Re: Very telling quote... Its not as simple as snap your fingers. Nothing good in life is.

August 6th, 2003, 16:55	#61
pilot602 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: who haa Posts: 3,750	Re: Very telling quote... But the tSA was created before the DHS was established. Once DHS was setup the tSA was folded into it. Either way it was a Rep run show (even if Dems voted for it) and it still is (meaning it obviously sucks but Bushy isn't doing anything to fix it - he's too worried about playing assinator and going after/killing individuals).

August 6th, 2003, 17:01	#62
fly22 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UT, SLC Posts: 1,489	Re: Very telling quote... I would have to agree that some of our efforts our toward the wrong direction. Personally I'm tired of us policing the world

August 6th, 2003, 17:15	#63
Center_Mid Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 213	Re: Very telling quote... Well, he might be able to issue an Executive Order abolishing any FAA/TSA restriction, but I'm not sure. At the very least, Bush could make it a priority and get people to jump on it. Will it happen? Probably not, but the Dems certainly don't control it.

August 6th, 2003, 17:27	#64
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: Very telling quote... Guys Guys Guys. The TSA came about before Homeland Security. It was a result of the insistence by democrats that we "federalize" the airport screeners. "In order to professionalize, you must federalize" - direct quote of Sen. Daeschle. All that other rhetoric is just that, rhetoric. Yes Bush supported it. It would have been political suicude for him not to! TSA is definitely not in accordance with GOP ideals. If so, it would have been privatized.

August 6th, 2003, 20:09	#65
Lurker Posts: n/a	Re: Very telling quote... Alright I don't mean to derail this thread as it is has been very entertaining debate so far, but did anyone else catch this? [ QUOTE ] In the seat next to her, the captain, 52, noted her speed — 500 mph, too fast for this late in the process [/ QUOTE ] I'm no 737 cap but 500 mph to fast on final??...LMAO!!

August 6th, 2003, 22:59	#66
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,403	Re: Very telling quote... [ QUOTE ] Alright I don't mean to derail this thread as it is has been very entertaining debate so far, but did anyone else catch this? [ QUOTE ] In the seat next to her, the captain, 52, noted her speed — 500 mph, too fast for this late in the process [/ QUOTE ] I'm no 737 cap but 500 mph to fast on final??...LMAO!! [/ QUOTE ] I thought about this too...I think that it may have been a non-pilot's description of an entire transition from cruise, through descent and onto the approach phase.....

August 7th, 2003, 00:46	#67
Boltonpilot Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: OH Posts: 161	Re: Very telling quote... Wow, it's amazing how the conversation has changed from one thing to another. I was happy to hear such a lifting story like this about these two pilots. I hate the fact that SWA is now demanding a B737 type rating prior to an interview, (guess that means that I won't be flying for them : I don't have money flooding out of my ears to go through flight school AND that too.) Well now that the conversation has changed to politics, I was glad to see the comment that Fly22 made. I will say that I'm also sick of seeing our military policing the entire world. We are now going into Liberia alone without any help from the UN. For one thing, we're nice guys, and a country that has had quite a few parallels with it's founding and our beginnings, is in need of help. Yet other countries in the UN are proving that (once again,) they are without a spine to aid us. I would also like to say that it is ignorant for us to point the finger at Bush for all the economic doubt and failure that has been occuring. First of which, the stock market was falling before Bush came into office. Second of all, the economy, which is based on public confidence, was shattered by Sep. 11, as well as the fraud among CEOs of large compainies. How is it, that we can blame this on Bush? I know that it should be in his very best interests that he should look to boost confidence, and he has shown efforts to do such thing. Although it does not help with the debt problem, his tax cuts were intentionally placed to boost confidence by giving more money to citizens. In turn, this action was a double-edged sword. Regardless, the Dow has improved, and we are back in the 9000's. Notably, airline stocks have taken quite the jump as well, (AWA most noticable I believe.)

August 7th, 2003, 06:17	#68
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: Very telling quote... stdntplt86 - well said. Of course "W" is the focal point of these political attacks, he is the GOP "point man." I hope you others understand that 500mph indicated is way too fast for any B737 to flying at any altitude! First of all, speeds are in knots, and indicated airspeed at any altitude is restricted to 335 kts in the 700 model. In fact up at 410 the speed is usually around 265 or 270 kts for a .78 cruise - don't quote me on those #'s I haven't flown a 737 since august 2001.

August 7th, 2003, 06:53	#69
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,079	Re: Very telling quote... [ QUOTE ] don't quote me on those #'s I haven't flown a 737 since august 2001. [/ QUOTE ] Any chance you'll get your slot back when things pick up?? Forgive me for forgetting, but what airline where you with on the 737?

August 7th, 2003, 08:21	#70
Lurker Posts: n/a	Re: Very telling quote... [ QUOTE ] "In order to professionalize, you must federalize" [/ QUOTE ] He had to have consulted with Johnny Cochran before coming up with that humdinger.

August 7th, 2003, 09:50	#71
Center_Mid Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 213	Re: Very telling quote... [ QUOTE ] I would also like to say that it is ignorant for us to point the finger at Bush for all the economic doubt and failure that has been occuring. First of which, the stock market was falling before Bush came into office. Second of all, the economy, which is based on public confidence, was shattered by Sep. 11, as well as the fraud among CEOs of large compainies. How is it, that we can blame this on Bush? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, but don't you think he'll take the ENTIRE credit if the economy turns around and soars by 2004??? Of course he will! Learn this well - politics is more often about perception than reality. If people think that your policies helped the economy, then you win elections. If people think that your policies hurt the economy, then you lose elections. The fact that the economy is influenced by a ba-zillion factors won't mean squat. Why not? Because it takes too long to explain in a speech and won't play well on TV. As far as the TSA goes, it doesn't matter if it was a Dem idea, it's an executive agency. Executive - i.e, the President controls it. Remember civics class? If you want to make changes to the TSA, then write Bush, not Daschle. If you want to abolish the TSA, well, tough - it ain't gonna happen. As Tenney points out, it would be political suicide to do so, because it would look like Bush was dismantling anti-terrorist protections. The private sector demonstrated that they couldn't hack it when it mattered - even after 9/11.

August 7th, 2003, 10:52	#72
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,079	Re: Very telling quote... [ QUOTE ] The TSA came about before Homeland Security. It was a result of the insistence by democrats that we "federalize" the airport screeners. [/ QUOTE ] That might be true, but if TSA had turned out to be the best thing since sliced bread and everybody just adored the TSA, you can guaran-damn-TEE that the Repubs would be strutting around singing "Looky what Bush did!!" But, since it's highly unpopular = "It was the Dems idea." Spin, spin, spin, spiiiiiinnnnnnn.

August 7th, 2003, 22:43	#73
tonyw Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 15,124	Re: Very telling quote... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] But I do have a problem with Bush and his ridiculous TFRs and FRZs and ADIZs. Anyone here disagree with me on that? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah I do. I don't think the president is responsible for these. I believe it is the TSA that sets policy for TFRs, much to the chagrin of the FAA. [/ QUOTE ] Sure, but Bush is the President, and he's in charge of the TSA. As Harry Truman said, the buck stops with the President. And if Bush didn't want a TSA, then he could have vetoed the legislation. Besides, the 30 mile TFRs are because of him, right? The FRZ and the ADIZ is there in large part due to the Secret Service, which has a mission of doing what? Making sure the President is safe. So if Bush said, we don't need 30 mile TFRs around me, and we don't need an ADIZ and FRZ, they'd go away because the Secret Service -- and the rest of the government -- answers to him.

August 8th, 2003, 14:58	#74
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Very telling quote... [ QUOTE ] Sure, but Bush is the President, and he's in charge of the TSA. As Harry Truman said, the buck stops with the President. And if Bush didn't want a TSA, then he could have vetoed the legislation. Besides, the 30 mile TFRs are because of him, right? The FRZ and the ADIZ is there in large part due to the Secret Service, which has a mission of doing what? Making sure the President is safe. So if Bush said, we don't need 30 mile TFRs around me, and we don't need an ADIZ and FRZ, they'd go away because the Secret Service -- and the rest of the government -- answers to him. [/ QUOTE ] With Bush stopping at my base in Tucson on Monday, I'm going to be very curious as to the NOTAMS that'll be in place.

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