Piston Single Poll

meritflyer · April 6th, 2007, 21:37

Given speed, range, service ceiling, turbocharged, comfort, seats (4-6), and overall reputation, which piston single would you want to own?

FiveO · April 6th, 2007, 21:40

The GV. Kidding. I went with the 182. There is something about that plane that I have always wanted.

Interesting poll. Should make for some even better results.

ComplexHiAv8r · April 6th, 2007, 21:45

I said Cirrus as I did this research over a year ago.

1-2yr old Cirrus vs 1-2yr old 182, both glass cockpit.
Lower intial cost (by about $40,000)
Lower Operational cost (200hp vs 230hp, 8.5gph vs 12 gph)
5-10% increased standard annual cost
$750-1000 transition training for the Cirrus (over cleared on insurance to just pick up the 182)

I also liked that the garmins were seperate on the Avidyne system, giving even more options on displays then just the MFD. I also like the fuel tabs (15 gal a tank) as this is where I have to load when I have the family on board (wife, 2 kids 10&3, and luggage). Also being a larger guy the room in the Cirrus is unbelievable. I have a feeling I will be cramped behind a yoke again when I get to an RJ

Any questions just ask!

meritflyer · April 6th, 2007, 21:52

I've always been a fan of the Beech Bonanza. The major drawback to that bird is its not turbocharged, IMO.

FiveO · April 6th, 2007, 22:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by meritflyer

I've always been a fan of the Beech Bonanza. The major drawback to that bird is its not turbocharged, IMO.

I had the chance to go up in one of those not to long ago. I thought it was an awesome plane. Very easy to get behind on though in my oppinon.

desertdog71 · April 6th, 2007, 22:16

A36 Bonanza was the most docile and stable plane I have flown. Its a solid and proven airframe. Plenty of utility and plenty fast. Beech has a superior comfort level in my opinion to the other manufactures. I have only one negative about the Bonanza and that was that the yoke seemed to be positioned rather low. Other than that I love the Bonanza.

Aero_Engineer · April 6th, 2007, 22:54

Bonanza is the mother of all in its category, that bird flies very smoothely.

TFaudree_ERAU · April 6th, 2007, 23:06

Beech is overpriced crap IMveryHO. What good does it serve to weigh down a piston single with the same amount of soundproofing and fancy interior as a cabin class twin. Give me a Lancair. The dual composite spar broke the G-load testing machine during certification. They sawed the main spar in half and the aft spar still held to well above certifiable limits.

Stoneage · April 6th, 2007, 23:07

Not a bad one in the lot. The only one I wouldn't personally own would be a Cirrus SR-22 because its wingspan (38'6") makes finding a hangar difficult. Most T-hangars have a span of less than 40' making for a very tight fit at best. I am not that good at putting planes in a hangar and bigger hangars tend to cost a LOT more.
For reference the Cirrus SR-20 has a 37' 5" span and the C-182 has a 36' span.

-- StoneAge

mojo6911 · April 7th, 2007, 02:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by TFaudree_ERAU

Give me a Lancair.

+1

TechFlyer · April 7th, 2007, 02:41

Not trying to be nitpicky but I believe Lancair is now Columbia. Same plane, different name. Lancair is solely kit planes now. And I vote for Lancair (Columbia)...I may be a little biased though since their headquarters and factory are just across the runway from me. Sure is fun to see spanking new Columbias being crissened in!

PanJet · April 7th, 2007, 05:20

I'm all for the new turbocharged SR-22. Sea-level power all the way to 25,000 ft., lower operating temps than normal turbocharged aircraft since it only runs at around 30 in. (Cirrus stresses turbonormalized rather than charged), and all the comforts of a normal Cirrus. Quite the aircraft.

Acadia · April 7th, 2007, 09:50

A36 in a heartbeat.

SteveC · April 7th, 2007, 10:26

V-tail Bo. Second choice would be the -36 Bo.

roundout · April 7th, 2007, 11:30

Mooney Acclaim. same engine as the Col 400 and SR22 Turbo but derated and STILL faster than either of those two.

Acadia · April 7th, 2007, 11:47

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Originally Posted by roundout

Mooney Acclaim. same engine as the Col 400 and SR22 Turbo but derated and STILL faster than either of those two.

Great aircraft, but if you are tall you have to fly leaning to the inside! No worky for me.

pilot4500 · April 7th, 2007, 12:46

Give me an SR-22 anyday! Awesome performance, very comfortable, glass cockpit, and the peace of mind of having the parachute if you need it.

E_Dawg · April 7th, 2007, 13:28

182T. Simple (=cheaper), can't forget to put the gear down, it can lift a lot and is pretty much the perfect SUV of the skies. Whatever will fit!

roundout · April 7th, 2007, 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acadia

Great aircraft, but if you are tall you have to fly leaning to the inside! No worky for me.

the owner of the Acclaim i fly is 6'5".

JayAre · April 8th, 2007, 01:21

Well I have flown a A36TC and T210
I pick a T210

Bonanza is very smooth and stable a pilots dream to fly. Parts are very expensive. $2000 for a fuel sensor once. Sensitive CG

T210 workhorse broad CG almost impossible to get out of range and 1600lbs us useful load. I kinda own a T210 now and just got put back together new paint, speed brakes, all led post lights some other things, maybe the WAAS upgrade for the 530. Doesn't handle at good as a bonanza. And parts are less money than beechcraft.

I would like to get my hands on a Silver Eagle or Tradwinds Bonanza

WestIndian425 · April 8th, 2007, 10:20

I thought Cirrus at first, but when I saw Lancair (and realized it's the same plane as the Columbia 350/400), I had to choose that one. That plane is sick! (and expensive)

triplec76 · April 8th, 2007, 10:47

I chose the Bonanza. Of course I would take the factory piston if someone GAVE me one, but I would like the Bonanza that I've seen a few times from Sioux City that has a PT-6 on it. You pass everything but the fuel truck.

mtsu_av8er · April 8th, 2007, 11:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayAre

T210 workhorse broad CG almost impossible to get out of range and 1600lbs us useful load. I kinda own a T210 now and just got put back together new paint, speed brakes, all led post lights some other things, maybe the WAAS upgrade for the 530. Doesn't handle at good as a bonanza. And parts are less money than beechcraft.

It's a sweet plane, eh?

ComplexHiAv8r · April 8th, 2007, 12:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

It's a sweet plane, eh?

How would you know, aren't you a Barron driver????

mtsu_av8er · April 8th, 2007, 12:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by ComplexHiAv8r

How would you know, aren't you a Barron driver????

Hehehe . . . I'm hoping that my 210 days aren't gone forever!!! I'm sure they'll make me do some 210 flying - they make us stay dual-qualified!!!

I miss the payload in the 210. If it fit, it flew!! The Baron can actually get a bit tricky! Oh, but the speed is nice. I've never complained about a groundspeed of 190 before!

View Poll Results: I'd like to own a...
Cirrus	17	18.28%
Cessna 182 Turbo	11	11.83%
Lancair	19	20.43%
Beechcraft Bonanza	31	33.33%
Piper Turbo Saratoga	15	16.13%
Voters: 93. You may not vote on this poll

April 6th, 2007, 21:37	#1
meritflyer Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Winchestertonfieldville Posts: 6,802	Piston Single Poll Given speed, range, service ceiling, turbocharged, comfort, seats (4-6), and overall reputation, which piston single would you want to own? __________________ The simplest answer tends to be correct.

April 6th, 2007, 21:40	#2
FiveO Old Skool Join Date: May 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 2,254	Re: Piston Single Poll The GV. Kidding. I went with the 182. There is something about that plane that I have always wanted. Interesting poll. Should make for some even better results.

April 6th, 2007, 21:45	#3
ComplexHiAv8r Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: OH or is it MX?? Posts: 4,881	Re: Piston Single Poll I said Cirrus as I did this research over a year ago. 1-2yr old Cirrus vs 1-2yr old 182, both glass cockpit. Lower intial cost (by about $40,000) Lower Operational cost (200hp vs 230hp, 8.5gph vs 12 gph) 5-10% increased standard annual cost $750-1000 transition training for the Cirrus (over cleared on insurance to just pick up the 182) I also liked that the garmins were seperate on the Avidyne system, giving even more options on displays then just the MFD. I also like the fuel tabs (15 gal a tank) as this is where I have to load when I have the family on board (wife, 2 kids 10&3, and luggage). Also being a larger guy the room in the Cirrus is unbelievable. I have a feeling I will be cramped behind a yoke again when I get to an RJ Any questions just ask! __________________ ASEL Instrument 500+ TT Cirrus Driver Engineer Loving Spouse and Father Proud Foster Parent Get Busy Living, or Get Busy Dying....

April 6th, 2007, 21:52	#4
meritflyer Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Winchestertonfieldville Posts: 6,802	Re: Piston Single Poll I've always been a fan of the Beech Bonanza. The major drawback to that bird is its not turbocharged, IMO. __________________ The simplest answer tends to be correct.

April 6th, 2007, 22:16	#6
desertdog71 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: KIDP/KCNU Posts: 3,008	Re: Piston Single Poll A36 Bonanza was the most docile and stable plane I have flown. Its a solid and proven airframe. Plenty of utility and plenty fast. Beech has a superior comfort level in my opinion to the other manufactures. I have only one negative about the Bonanza and that was that the yoke seemed to be positioned rather low. Other than that I love the Bonanza.

April 6th, 2007, 22:54	#7
Aero_Engineer Old Skool Join Date: May 2005 Location: California, USA Posts: 2,052	Re: Piston Single Poll Bonanza is the mother of all in its category, that bird flies very smoothely.

April 6th, 2007, 23:06	#8
TFaudree_ERAU Old Skool Join Date: May 2006 Location: Virginia is for Lovers, yacht chasing on the weekends Posts: 1,870	Re: Piston Single Poll Beech is overpriced crap IMveryHO. What good does it serve to weigh down a piston single with the same amount of soundproofing and fancy interior as a cabin class twin. Give me a Lancair. The dual composite spar broke the G-load testing machine during certification. They sawed the main spar in half and the aft spar still held to well above certifiable limits. __________________ Charter Member - JC Pilot Motion Picture Society (JC PiMPS)

April 6th, 2007, 23:07	#9
Stoneage Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 39	Re: Piston Single Poll Not a bad one in the lot. The only one I wouldn't personally own would be a Cirrus SR-22 because its wingspan (38'6") makes finding a hangar difficult. Most T-hangars have a span of less than 40' making for a very tight fit at best. I am not that good at putting planes in a hangar and bigger hangars tend to cost a LOT more. For reference the Cirrus SR-20 has a 37' 5" span and the C-182 has a 36' span. -- StoneAge

April 7th, 2007, 02:41	#11
TechFlyer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 347	Re: Piston Single Poll Not trying to be nitpicky but I believe Lancair is now Columbia. Same plane, different name. Lancair is solely kit planes now. And I vote for Lancair (Columbia)...I may be a little biased though since their headquarters and factory are just across the runway from me. Sure is fun to see spanking new Columbias being crissened in!

April 7th, 2007, 05:20	#12
PanJet Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: WA Posts: 562	Re: Piston Single Poll I'm all for the new turbocharged SR-22. Sea-level power all the way to 25,000 ft., lower operating temps than normal turbocharged aircraft since it only runs at around 30 in. (Cirrus stresses turbonormalized rather than charged), and all the comforts of a normal Cirrus. Quite the aircraft.

April 7th, 2007, 09:50	#13
Acadia Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: BHB - Maine Posts: 3,135	Re: Piston Single Poll A36 in a heartbeat.

April 7th, 2007, 10:26	#14
SteveC Modulator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR Posts: 8,788	Re: Piston Single Poll V-tail Bo. Second choice would be the -36 Bo. __________________ . If life gives you lemons, throw 'em into a quart of vodka. ~Red Green

April 7th, 2007, 11:30	#15
roundout Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: kads Posts: 842	Re: Piston Single Poll Mooney Acclaim. same engine as the Col 400 and SR22 Turbo but derated and STILL faster than either of those two. __________________ http://www.m-w.com/dictionary.htm this reference tool contains examples of the proper spellings and usages of the following words: your, you're, there, their, they're, than, then

April 7th, 2007, 12:46	#17
pilot4500 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Albemarle, NC Posts: 550	Re: Piston Single Poll Give me an SR-22 anyday! Awesome performance, very comfortable, glass cockpit, and the peace of mind of having the parachute if you need it. __________________ Commercial Pilot ASEL, AMEL, Instrument Airplane CFI, CFI-I 4,100 TT 1,150 ME 252 Actual Instrument 1,862 Dual Given http://www.myspace.com/airplanedriver

April 7th, 2007, 13:28	#18
E_Dawg Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: chicago Posts: 4,311	Re: Piston Single Poll 182T. Simple (=cheaper), can't forget to put the gear down, it can lift a lot and is pretty much the perfect SUV of the skies. Whatever will fit! __________________ Yeah, I just stare at my desk; but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch, too. I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work.

April 8th, 2007, 01:21	#20
JayAre Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Multiple Posts: 1,043	Re: Piston Single Poll Well I have flown a A36TC and T210 I pick a T210 Bonanza is very smooth and stable a pilots dream to fly. Parts are very expensive. $2000 for a fuel sensor once. Sensitive CG T210 workhorse broad CG almost impossible to get out of range and 1600lbs us useful load. I kinda own a T210 now and just got put back together new paint, speed brakes, all led post lights some other things, maybe the WAAS upgrade for the 530. Doesn't handle at good as a bonanza. And parts are less money than beechcraft. I would like to get my hands on a Silver Eagle or Tradwinds Bonanza __________________ Im voting for "That one"

April 8th, 2007, 10:20	#21
WestIndian425 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: KEWR (by way of Brooklyn, NY) Posts: 967	Re: Piston Single Poll I thought Cirrus at first, but when I saw Lancair (and realized it's the same plane as the Columbia 350/400), I had to choose that one. That plane is sick! (and expensive) __________________ God did not create aircraft pilots to be on the ground.

April 8th, 2007, 10:47	#22
triplec76 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 944	Re: Piston Single Poll I chose the Bonanza. Of course I would take the factory piston if someone GAVE me one, but I would like the Bonanza that I've seen a few times from Sioux City that has a PT-6 on it. You pass everything but the fuel truck.

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