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Old February 18th, 2007, 13:14   #1
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Interesting video of NTSB accident recreation.

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When did this happen?
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When did this happen?
Not sure..a buddy emailed it to me.
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Mid to late 90s methinks. CFIT big timeeeee
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At least it wasn't as bad as the CRM video we watch!
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Old February 18th, 2007, 15:57   #6
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A little more information

NTSB conclusions: Contributing to the accident were the captain's fatigue, Korean Air's lack of flight crew training, as well as the intentional inhibition of the Guam ILS. The crew had been using an outdated flight map, which stated that the Minimum Safe Altitude for a landing plane was 1770 feet (540 m) as opposed to 2150 feet (656 m). Flight 801 had been maintaining 1870 feet (570 m) when it was waiting to land.

On August 6, 2000, the third anniversary of the crash, a black marble obelisk was unveiled on the crash site as a memorial to the victims.
After the accident, the flight number for the route was changed to Flight 805.
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I know someone who trained Korean students, and said he'd never fly Korean Air, as a result!
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Old February 18th, 2007, 18:50   #9
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As TORIA mentioned in her response....it was a langing into Agana Guam. The area around the airport is hilly and the airport is on a hill. Happened shortly after I left Guam, but heard from folks who helped in clean up efforts---was a mess. We studied this accident in one of my safety courses and how CRM is different between U.S. carriers and foreign carriers.
I have flown Korean Airlines back and forth to Korea on many occasions and have no problem flying them. I'm sure some of their training has changed a bit since this accident.
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I know someone who trained Korean students, and said he'd never fly Korean Air, as a result!
I taught Korean students at Pan Am Flight Academy in Fort Pierce and they were 1000% better than the Chinese students I taught. It's the Chinese airlines I'm staying away from. The Koreans are like robots...you tell em' what to do and how to do it and they repeat it over and over and over.. perfect for the airline flight deck.
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Korean's definitely cleaned up their act. Back in the bad old days, they had serious issues. There was a KAL safety audit that was floating around the internets but it doesn't seem to be around anymore. If that was accurate, there were some serious problems at KAL.

The best I have for this report is this link.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...13/ai_54489400

The company's safety record took an added bruising when a 20-page internal audit report was leaked recently. The damning document was posted on the Internet by Alex Paterson, a former airline pilot living in Australia, "in the interests of airline safety," he declared. While KAL officials concede the report is authentic, they have panned it as a gross exaggeration of the carrier's safety practices.

But seriously, folks, how can you expect them to do well? I mean, they can't see out of their slanty little eyes and they can't even pronounce fly and airplane right.

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At least it wasn't as bad as the CRM video we watch!
Those three guys are still donkeys
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What is the video about that you watch?
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I taught Korean students at Pan Am Flight Academy in Fort Pierce and they were 1000% better than the Chinese students I taught. It's the Chinese airlines I'm staying away from. The Koreans are like robots...you tell em' what to do and how to do it and they repeat it over and over and over.. perfect for the airline flight deck.
Could you elaborate on the Chinese students. I'm quite interestd cause I've lived in China for about 1.5 years. I found that the Chinese airlines are ok, but the safetly standards are not represented well through the flight crew. For example, stewards would let pax have the seats reclined during landing and I've had a few dodgy landings as well. After touching down in Shanghai in a 74, the pilot applied heavy breaking and the aircraft was swirving all over the runway, it felt quite dramatic. I know that pilot training/recruitment is a state-run affair, as are all of their airlines. So I'm guessing people who are put into airline cadetships aren't there because of their passion for flying, but more their future being determined by the state. Similar scenario with their atheletics programme. Yao Ming never really liked basketball, but he is a 4th generation basketball player who was bread for Chinese basketball glory.
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