Background checks

DAnbert · February 15th, 2007, 16:58

I am curious as to how important or far back are they concerned about in a background check. I have never been one to keep that accurate of records or any for that matter. I basically have a few times in my life where I am not sure if I can dig up what my address was and what dates I moved in and out.
I do however have accurate information for the last 7 years.
Will the lack of information hurt my chances at a flying job?

I_WANNA_BE_ATP · February 15th, 2007, 17:03

I believe most places do a ten year check.

BajtheJino · February 15th, 2007, 17:05

Think about it. A handful of companies hiring hundred, if not thousands of pilots. Think they have time to verify you lived on Oak St. in Armpit, AR? That being said, you should have as much info as possible for everything.
I lived on couches in my early 20's pumping gas, flying and trying to stay alive. I can't very well provide an address for couches on T-Th I didnt have references for the months I took of one summer and went hiking. Be able to explain yourself and you will be fine.

DAnbert · February 16th, 2007, 09:12

Thank you.
I figure about the time I am ready to apply to any type of flying gig (except CFI) I will have about 10 years verifiable behind me.

Sprint100 · February 16th, 2007, 10:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAnbert

Thank you.
I figure about the time I am ready to apply to any type of flying gig (except CFI) I will have about 10 years verifiable behind me.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat as far as not remembering stuff from a while ago. Besides, I wouldn't want to remember the crap I did/been through before 19 years old

Minnesota_Flyer · February 16th, 2007, 10:52

If you're having trouble remembering addresses, pull a credit report on yourself (you get one free each year from each credit reporting agency). It will include a list of the place you have lived for about the past ten years. (It's a little scary how much they know about us.)

And the airlines absolutely will check to confirm that you lived where you said you did for at least the past ten years. Not necessarily the exact address, but they are required by federal law to confirm where you have been and what you've been doing for the last ten years. That includes checking with employers and colleges to confirm employment and enrollment, and if you have any gaps in employment/school, you'll have to provide other information to confirm your whereabouts. These sorts of things can and do hold up the security check and (in most cases) your class start date. So best to get it worked out up front.

MF

BajtheJino · February 16th, 2007, 15:58

As far as the Credit Report goes I too pulled one before my first interview and only my permanent address was on there (parents house where my taxes and what not are sent). I just don't believe that some guy in a tan trench coat and Ray-bans is out there calling, finding, snooping to verify my 10 year history. None of my references was ever called or former employers and a Security check is nothing more than running your social and Bday by with Federal, State Bureaus of Investigation to see if any felonies pop up. Thats all I'm sayin'.
Yes. Have addresses, references, correct contact info.

staplegun · February 16th, 2007, 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by BajtheJino

I just don't believe that some guy in a tan trench coat and Ray-bans is out there calling, finding, snooping to verify my 10 year history. None of my references was ever called or former employers and a Security check is nothing more than running your social and Bday by with Federal, State Bureaus of Investigation to see if any felonies pop up. Thats all I'm sayin'.

In past hiring waves at Delta they have done extensive checks, often lasting well into the probationary year. A fellow in my new hire class was fired 9 months in for lying about something on his application...

Don't know how things will change this time around but they have always been very interested in you telling the truth on the application and past applications have stated this upfront in bold letters!

Kevin

amorris311 · February 16th, 2007, 17:03

dont lie when the truth will do just the same.

BajtheJino · February 16th, 2007, 17:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by staplegun

Don't know how things will change this time around but they have always been very interested in you telling the truth on the application and past applications have stated this upfront in bold letters!

Kevin

Dude, no one is talking about lying. All's I'm sayin' is if you lived places you cant account for or worked for cash while in school or in my instance went hiking for three months and didnt have an adress, job or werent in school it's no big deal. Pilots arent robots that come straight from the factory.

amorris311 · February 16th, 2007, 17:05

they are now.

BajtheJino · February 16th, 2007, 17:46

Right, Right!

PGT · February 16th, 2007, 17:59

so the 3 months I spend in Columbia shouldn't be an issue? I mean all I have to do is tell them no records exist because I was working for cash.

Minnesota_Flyer · February 16th, 2007, 18:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by BajtheJino

Dude, no one is talking about lying. All's I'm sayin' is if you lived places you cant account for or worked for cash while in school or in my instance went hiking for three months and didnt have an adress, job or werent in school it's no big deal.

Good luck with that. I've seen cabin crew applicants who couldn't account for a 3-month gap dinked into the pending file while it got sorted out. In the meantime, they don't get a class date, or a paycheck, or a seniority number. The regionals may or may not be so picky -- but the big ones definitely are.

BajtheJino · February 16th, 2007, 18:34

Ok. I'm just trying to pass along some of MY experience with aviation.

Doug Taylor · February 16th, 2007, 22:42

Well, better start looking now!

I think I hit my personal record last year as I was background checked three times. TSA mandate, SLC SIDA, and then the SLC SIDA redo.

Minnesota_Flyer · February 17th, 2007, 07:41

You'll also need to have a list of all of your addresses when you apply for a mortgage (why, I don't know).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Well, better start looking now!

I think I hit my personal record last year as I was background checked three times. TSA mandate, SLC SIDA, and then the SLC SIDA redo.

Do you have to have both an airport badge and an airline badge? The most recent project I worked on the process seemed to be that the company issued a badge based on its own CHRC and background check and then the airport automatically issued a SIDA badge based on the company's check (the company "vouched" or something). But I was not directly connected with the airport SIDA process, so I was never sure. This also may vary by airport, I suppose.

MQAAord · February 17th, 2007, 08:38

At ORD & CVG getting a SIDA badge (which, at ORD, is necessary to get into the employee parking lot) it's a separate procedure, requiring a visit to the airport's 'badging' office. Bring a good book, lots of patience and allow about 3-4 hours. Loads of fun.

February 15th, 2007, 16:58	#1
DAnbert Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 524	Background checks I am curious as to how important or far back are they concerned about in a background check. I have never been one to keep that accurate of records or any for that matter. I basically have a few times in my life where I am not sure if I can dig up what my address was and what dates I moved in and out. I do however have accurate information for the last 7 years. Will the lack of information hurt my chances at a flying job? __________________ <--- Taken on first leg going home from NJC Never use a long word when a diminutive linguistic utterance will sufficiently articulate. This is the end of my post.

February 15th, 2007, 17:03	#2
I_WANNA_BE_ATP Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: 3rd Rock From the Sun Posts: 841	Re: Background checks I believe most places do a ten year check. __________________ Nolite Te Bastasdes Carborundrum !!!!!

February 15th, 2007, 17:05	#3
BajtheJino Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Country Inn and Suites Posts: 966	Re: Background checks Think about it. A handful of companies hiring hundred, if not thousands of pilots. Think they have time to verify you lived on Oak St. in Armpit, AR? That being said, you should have as much info as possible for everything. I lived on couches in my early 20's pumping gas, flying and trying to stay alive. I can't very well provide an address for couches on T-Th I didnt have references for the months I took of one summer and went hiking. Be able to explain yourself and you will be fine.

February 16th, 2007, 09:12	#4
DAnbert Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 524	Re: Background checks Thank you. I figure about the time I am ready to apply to any type of flying gig (except CFI) I will have about 10 years verifiable behind me. __________________ <--- Taken on first leg going home from NJC Never use a long word when a diminutive linguistic utterance will sufficiently articulate. This is the end of my post.

February 16th, 2007, 10:52	#6
Minnesota_Flyer Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul Posts: 1,895	Re: Background checks If you're having trouble remembering addresses, pull a credit report on yourself (you get one free each year from each credit reporting agency). It will include a list of the place you have lived for about the past ten years. (It's a little scary how much they know about us.) And the airlines absolutely will check to confirm that you lived where you said you did for at least the past ten years. Not necessarily the exact address, but they are required by federal law to confirm where you have been and what you've been doing for the last ten years. That includes checking with employers and colleges to confirm employment and enrollment, and if you have any gaps in employment/school, you'll have to provide other information to confirm your whereabouts. These sorts of things can and do hold up the security check and (in most cases) your class start date. So best to get it worked out up front. MF __________________ I'm free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equally. Commercial Pilot - ASEL, Instrument 290 TT

February 16th, 2007, 15:58	#7
BajtheJino Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Country Inn and Suites Posts: 966	Re: Background checks As far as the Credit Report goes I too pulled one before my first interview and only my permanent address was on there (parents house where my taxes and what not are sent). I just don't believe that some guy in a tan trench coat and Ray-bans is out there calling, finding, snooping to verify my 10 year history. None of my references was ever called or former employers and a Security check is nothing more than running your social and Bday by with Federal, State Bureaus of Investigation to see if any felonies pop up. Thats all I'm sayin'. Yes. Have addresses, references, correct contact info.

February 16th, 2007, 17:03	#9
amorris311 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles soon to be phx Posts: 2,471	Re: Background checks dont lie when the truth will do just the same.

February 16th, 2007, 17:05	#11
amorris311 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles soon to be phx Posts: 2,471	Re: Background checks they are now.

February 16th, 2007, 17:46	#12
BajtheJino Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Country Inn and Suites Posts: 966	Re: Background checks Right, Right!

February 16th, 2007, 17:59	#13
PGT Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: DSM Posts: 2,950	Re: Background checks so the 3 months I spend in Columbia shouldn't be an issue? I mean all I have to do is tell them no records exist because I was working for cash. __________________ PPL 55 hours TT

February 16th, 2007, 18:34	#15
BajtheJino Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Country Inn and Suites Posts: 966	Re: Background checks Ok. I'm just trying to pass along some of MY experience with aviation.

February 16th, 2007, 22:42	#16
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 39,824 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Background checks Well, better start looking now! I think I hit my personal record last year as I was background checked three times. TSA mandate, SLC SIDA, and then the SLC SIDA redo. __________________ Doug Taylor http://76school.flyblog.com (old!) http://30west.flyblog.com (updated 11/28)

February 17th, 2007, 08:38	#18
MQAAord Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Looney Bin Posts: 8,813	Re: Background checks At ORD & CVG getting a SIDA badge (which, at ORD, is necessary to get into the employee parking lot) it's a separate procedure, requiring a visit to the airport's 'badging' office. Bring a good book, lots of patience and allow about 3-4 hours. Loads of fun. __________________ PPL SEL 100-ish hours TT Former American Airlines F/A (12 months) Former Simmons/Eagle F/A (6 years) Former Eagle ground school instructor (1 year) Former Eagle IOE instructor (3 years)

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