Call me ignorant....

cignaguy · February 14th, 2007, 15:10

Hi everyone. I was wondering if anyone could provide a quick summary, or point me to another post that might have already referenced this....I am looking for a summary of what all of the different "Parts" of flying are. Part 121, 91, 135, etc. Also, once someone gets all of their ratings, is instructing the only way to build hours? I know it is the most common, but wasn't sure if there are other ways.

One more thing....I am currently working on my PPL (have my 5th and 6th lesson this weekend). I am at a Part 141 Cessna Pilot Center, so I am using the Cessna Pilot kit with the DVDs for ground school info. Are there other books about aviation I should be reading in any spare time I might have? I do the corporate gig full time, so I don't have a TON of spare time since I am trying to keep up with the PPL and the DVDs. Just figured I would get some advice. I am still trying to determine if I want to go the ATP route or stay at the FBO after I get my PPL.

Thanks in advance for any advice!

BCTAv8r · February 14th, 2007, 15:10

ignorant

MusketeerMan · February 14th, 2007, 15:26

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Originally Posted by BCTAv8r

ignorant

Beat me to it.

No, instructing isn't the only way to build hours. Here in SAC once you get to 500 hours, it's normally fairly easy to do traffic flights and build around 60 hours/month. There are some other options as well, but they will probably have 500 hour minimums to meet their insurace requirements.

Seggy · February 14th, 2007, 16:02

First welcome to Jetcareers. Continue to ask questions

Second guys he is NOT ignorant, he came here to learn we don't need cute responses. That could scare people away.

Anyway, when you discuss 'parts' what you are really talking about are the rules that the FAA has for different areas of flight. I guess you can call it parts of the FAR/AIMs.

Part 135 is on demand freight, corporate flying, charter work
Part 121 is airline
Part 91 are the rules that basic regulations of the airways
Part 61 is the type of instruction you have at the FBO way
Part 141 is a school like ATP

Instructing is a solid way to build hours and HIGHLY recommended. You learn a lot about yourself and others by doing it.

What are your goals cignaguy? Continue to ask questions.

NEVER be afraid to ask ANY questions in aviation.

Captain_Bob · February 14th, 2007, 16:09

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Originally Posted by Seggy

Part 61 is the type of instruction you have at the FBO way
Part 141 is a school like ATP

Close...

Part 141 is a school like DCA, Pan-Am, Westwind, Flight Safety, even Ari-Ben, etc... or any school that you can also use GI bill Bennies...

ATP is Part 61

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seggy

NEVER be afraid to ask ANY questions in aviation.

Bob

Sprint100 · February 14th, 2007, 16:28

To add in my two cents in regards to the difference between Part 141 from Part 61. In Part 141 the way they instruct is structured by the FAA. Part 61 will or will not have a teaching method structured by the FAA. It is wierd since both bring you to FAA flight proficiency.

bdhill1979 · February 14th, 2007, 16:31

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Originally Posted by cignaguy

Are there other books about aviation I should be reading in any spare time I might have?

As far as oral exam prep the Advisory Circulars are good reading. You can buy them in printed form or this link:
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...e?OpenFrameSet

Seggy · February 14th, 2007, 16:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Bob

Close...

Part 141 is a school like DCA, Pan-Am, Westwind, Flight Safety, even Ari-Ben, etc... or any school that you can also use GI bill Bennies...

ATP is Part 61

Bob

ooops thanks for clearing that up!

CapnJim · February 14th, 2007, 16:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seggy

NEVER be afraid to ask ANY questions in aviation.

This will be true even when you make your last landing at age 60(5?)!

Bumblebee · February 14th, 2007, 16:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Bob

Close...

Part 141 is a school like DCA, Pan-Am, Westwind, Flight Safety, even Ari-Ben, etc... or any school that you can also use GI bill Bennies...

ATP is Part 61

Bob

Just to add on a little about the differences here between 141 and 91. Since the 141 training enviroment is more highly structured by the FAA, a pilot can complete certain phases of training in less hours in the a/c. For example; for a PP certificate you need only log 35 hours in an aircraft (along with the other requirements, such as x-c, night, etc.) while in the part 61 training environment you are required to have 40 hours.

Don't take this to mean that you will absolutely only use the 35 hours for budgeting purposes, because every student is different. But the 141 schools will market the ability to use less time to "estimate" the cost of your ratings.

Now that I've completely muddied the water . . . proceed.

Oh yeah . . . "Ignorance is bliss."

RedBaron1 · February 14th, 2007, 16:51

Also, with a school that is Part 141, the school is directly responsible for the student's training and pass rates. (not to say the CFI doesn't have a part in it as well) A Part 141 school has to have a minimum of 80% pass rate for all the certifications.
A Part 61 school the responsibilty for the quality of training the student is more directed at the CFI and not so much the school itself.

Aero_Engineer · February 14th, 2007, 17:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCTAv8r

ignorant

Get a life, he is asking a question. Don't wanna join in then BEAT it!!!

Sprint100 · February 14th, 2007, 17:22

Am I correct in saying that in a Part 141 school you don't have to take a checkride?

I hear the Cessna DVDs are pretty thorough. You may want to check out another book or two solely because it something may be put in a way that is much more clear to you. But if you are fine with the Cessna DVDs, I'd just stick with those.

frog_flyer · February 14th, 2007, 17:28

You're ignorant.

(anyone see that south park episode?)

RedBaron1 · February 14th, 2007, 17:33

In Part 141 training you have the same FAA checkrides at a Part 61 school. There are some 141 flight schools that issue lots of certificates and have been given self-examining authority by the FAA to issue certain certificates. In Part 141 training, you also have stage checks. Stage checks are given while you are working on a rating. For example, once you complete a third of your private training, you will go up with a different instructor to make sure you've learned the things you're supposed to have learn and the instructor is teaching you what you need to know up to that point in the curriculum. Then you will go through another 3rd of your training and then go on another stage check and so on.

MusketeerMan · February 14th, 2007, 17:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seggy

First welcome to Jetcareers. Continue to ask questions

Second guys he is NOT ignorant, he came here to learn we don't need cute responses. That could scare people away.

It was just a joke...he asked to be called ignorant...

Carry on.

sefro · February 14th, 2007, 17:47

The books I liked for my private training is an faa book, the Pilots handbook of aeronautical knowledge and then the jeppson test prep book.
Seth

Spbeyond · February 14th, 2007, 18:11

I am getting my ppl using the Cessna pilot center program. I like it overall but it was made by king schools and those guys jokes are uh... Lame.

I am currently on lesson 14.

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Are there other books about aviation I should be reading in any spare time I might have?

My CFI wont let me slip at all (which is a good thing) so in addition to using the CPC dvds I bought the Jeppson PPL book (like 80 bucks or something) and the FAR/AIM. I am doing a lesson everyday so I don't have much time. Believe me each of these lessons get longer, in the beginning they aren't bad but around your first solo they start to get longer. It wouldn't be hard except I am working full time in addition to doing a lesson everyday

cignaguy · February 14th, 2007, 19:21

Appreciate all the replies! I should have said earlier that I actually do understand the difference between 141 and 61, just not the others, but thanks for all the information!

I will definitely check out the other recommended books.

Mr.Maximus · February 14th, 2007, 23:55

Bumblebee · February 15th, 2007, 01:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aero_Engineer

Get a life, he is asking a question. Don't wanna join in then BEAT it!!!

Come on now, it was just a joke. The joke was similar to; "Don't call me shirley" . . . surely you understand the humor

Or . . . "I told you not to tell me that!" (from Get Smart for you youngin's)

BCTAv8r · February 15th, 2007, 01:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by bumblebee

Come on now, it was just a joke. The joke was similar to; "Don't call me shirley" . . . surely you understand the humor

Or . . . "I told you not to tell me that!" (from Get Smart for you youngin's)

It's fine if he doesn't get it. I'm sure the person who it was intended to did, which is what matters.

Aero_Engineer · February 15th, 2007, 14:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCTAv8r

It's fine if he doesn't get it. I'm sure the person who it was intended to did, which is what matters.

All I am saying is when you make a joke a smiley or some sort of a hint would help.

It is all GOOD!!

BCTAv8r · February 15th, 2007, 14:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aero_Engineer

All I am saying is when you make a joke a smiley or some sort of a hint would help.

It is all GOOD!!

I was gonna use the sarcasm tag but I thought it would still be pretty obvious without. Who the hell am I to call someone ignorant for asking a question? You know better than that.

Minuteman · February 15th, 2007, 15:37

I'm much too lazy and probably too ignorant to do it, but this would make a great topic for a Wikipedia Page about the FAR Parts.

February 14th, 2007, 15:10	#1
cignaguy Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 177	Call me ignorant.... Hi everyone. I was wondering if anyone could provide a quick summary, or point me to another post that might have already referenced this....I am looking for a summary of what all of the different "Parts" of flying are. Part 121, 91, 135, etc. Also, once someone gets all of their ratings, is instructing the only way to build hours? I know it is the most common, but wasn't sure if there are other ways. One more thing....I am currently working on my PPL (have my 5th and 6th lesson this weekend). I am at a Part 141 Cessna Pilot Center, so I am using the Cessna Pilot kit with the DVDs for ground school info. Are there other books about aviation I should be reading in any spare time I might have? I do the corporate gig full time, so I don't have a TON of spare time since I am trying to keep up with the PPL and the DVDs. Just figured I would get some advice. I am still trying to determine if I want to go the ATP route or stay at the FBO after I get my PPL. Thanks in advance for any advice!

February 14th, 2007, 15:10	#2
BCTAv8r Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 6,255	Re: Call me ignorant.... ignorant

February 14th, 2007, 16:02	#4
Seggy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,498	Re: Call me ignorant.... First welcome to Jetcareers. Continue to ask questions Second guys he is NOT ignorant, he came here to learn we don't need cute responses. That could scare people away. Anyway, when you discuss 'parts' what you are really talking about are the rules that the FAA has for different areas of flight. I guess you can call it parts of the FAR/AIMs. Part 135 is on demand freight, corporate flying, charter work Part 121 is airline Part 91 are the rules that basic regulations of the airways Part 61 is the type of instruction you have at the FBO way Part 141 is a school like ATP Instructing is a solid way to build hours and HIGHLY recommended. You learn a lot about yourself and others by doing it. What are your goals cignaguy? Continue to ask questions. NEVER be afraid to ask ANY questions in aviation.

February 14th, 2007, 16:28	#6
Sprint100 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In my Cozy garage Posts: 6,272	Re: Call me ignorant.... To add in my two cents in regards to the difference between Part 141 from Part 61. In Part 141 the way they instruct is structured by the FAA. Part 61 will or will not have a teaching method structured by the FAA. It is wierd since both bring you to FAA flight proficiency. __________________ Excellence is not a single act, but a habit. "I have learned over the years that when one's mind is made up, that diminshes fear" - Rosa Parks

February 14th, 2007, 16:51	#11
RedBaron1 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 25	Re: Call me ignorant.... Also, with a school that is Part 141, the school is directly responsible for the student's training and pass rates. (not to say the CFI doesn't have a part in it as well) A Part 141 school has to have a minimum of 80% pass rate for all the certifications. A Part 61 school the responsibilty for the quality of training the student is more directed at the CFI and not so much the school itself.

February 14th, 2007, 17:22	#13
Sprint100 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In my Cozy garage Posts: 6,272	Re: Call me ignorant.... Am I correct in saying that in a Part 141 school you don't have to take a checkride? I hear the Cessna DVDs are pretty thorough. You may want to check out another book or two solely because it something may be put in a way that is much more clear to you. But if you are fine with the Cessna DVDs, I'd just stick with those. __________________ Excellence is not a single act, but a habit. "I have learned over the years that when one's mind is made up, that diminshes fear" - Rosa Parks

February 14th, 2007, 17:28	#14
frog_flyer Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: FTW Posts: 4,092	Re: Call me ignorant.... You're ignorant. (anyone see that south park episode?) __________________ "There needs to be more drinking here on JC. We need more ******* partying!" -Doug Taylor 260TT 25 ME

February 14th, 2007, 17:33	#15
RedBaron1 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 25	Re: Call me ignorant.... In Part 141 training you have the same FAA checkrides at a Part 61 school. There are some 141 flight schools that issue lots of certificates and have been given self-examining authority by the FAA to issue certain certificates. In Part 141 training, you also have stage checks. Stage checks are given while you are working on a rating. For example, once you complete a third of your private training, you will go up with a different instructor to make sure you've learned the things you're supposed to have learn and the instructor is teaching you what you need to know up to that point in the curriculum. Then you will go through another 3rd of your training and then go on another stage check and so on.

February 14th, 2007, 17:47	#17
sefro Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: KHIO Posts: 171	Re: Call me ignorant.... The books I liked for my private training is an faa book, the Pilots handbook of aeronautical knowledge and then the jeppson test prep book. Seth __________________ We are surrounded by many, many stupid people. Which is fortunate, as it makes being smart, easier. Last edited by sefro; February 14th, 2007 at 18:23.

February 14th, 2007, 19:21	#19
cignaguy Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 177	Re: Call me ignorant.... Appreciate all the replies! I should have said earlier that I actually do understand the difference between 141 and 61, just not the others, but thanks for all the information! I will definitely check out the other recommended books.

February 14th, 2007, 23:55	#20
Mr.Maximus Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: This One Posts: 289	Re: Call me ignorant....

February 15th, 2007, 15:37	#25
Minuteman Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,594 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Call me ignorant.... I'm much too lazy and probably too ignorant to do it, but this would make a great topic for a Wikipedia Page about the FAR Parts.

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