A new regulation...

[ready2fly]

Originally Posted by falconvalley

I know of at least one person who went from a B1900 to a Major (not to mention any names)...quite a large major at that. So, to say that Major airlines don't respect right or left seat time in a B1900 is ridiculous and clearly based soley on opinion. I don't care where you got that from, it's not fact and not based on experience. That doesn't mean that it's completely wrong have time in a CRJ and that you won't get respect with time in a CRJ. You can but, if I were sitting across an interview table from two applicants with equal time, one with CRJ and one with B1900, the equipment type goes "out the window".

Well said.

At that point (and I don't think Killtron is even reading this anymore as he has an adversion to being told he's wrong), it comes down to "who do you want to sit next to for the next month?"

Is it the B1900 guy, like Seggy, who is not only experienced, but respectful, friendly, open to suggestions, a good guy...or the CRJ guy who (putting someone with Killtrons obvious superior knowledge of all subjects in this role) knows everything, refuses to listen to experience because "hey, that's not how it's done now. You're outdated. Prove to me why I should listen to you." .... mentality????

Hmm.....tough choice.

Ya'll can correct me if I'm wrong, but the attitude I've seen from Killtron in this thread could boil down to a total disrespect of authority which could one day (and I'll bold this) greatly compromise the safety of a flight.

But, that's just my observation.

As for the low-time pilot thing, let me say this:

I was hired at Eagle with 1200TT, 115 multi. To me, for an airline, THAT is still low time.

I was 40 years old at the time of hire. I've lived in the "real world". Had to make real world decisions.

I was so far behind my plane (CRJ-700) for a good three months/300+ hrs. that it'd make your head spin.

At just shy of 400 hrs. in type, I'm still not completly comfortable.

Is that a safety issue? Could be.......if I didn't have an experienced Captain sitting next to me who knew more than I did because he's/she's BEEN DOING THIS LONGER THAN I HAVE.

When you don't know what you're doing and/or talking about - admit it. Asking those who have been there and are "doing it" to prove it ain't how it's done in the cockpit.

/rant (for now).

Stan

[Killtron2000]

Originally Posted by Baradium

Don't discount 1900 drivers. They might not be in such a shiny airplane, but they are doing the "traditional" regional flying and getting good experiene doing it.

I'm not disagreeing with that at all but Southwest for example won't even look at your 1900 time because it isn't heavy enough.

[Seggy]

Originally Posted by Killtron2000

I'm not disagreeing with that at all but Southwest for example won't even look at your 1900 time because it isn't heavy enough.

You have NO idea what you are talking about NONE.

Southwest requires 1300 hours of Turbine PIC.

We had two Beech 1900 Captains interview there in the past two months

Jetblue requires it to be over 20,000 pounds for some reason. Even with that requirement I would bet if you knew the right person they would waive that. So one airline out of how many have that requirement? Jetblue will most likely waive that completely in the future as well.

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by Killtron2000

I'm not disagreeing with that at all but Southwest for example won't even look at your 1900 time because it isn't heavy enough.

And thank god SWA isn't the goal of EVERY person that flies a 19hundo.

[Killtron2000]

Originally Posted by ready2fly

At that point (and I don't think Killtron is even reading this anymore as he has an adversion to being told he's wrong)

Ya'll can correct me if I'm wrong, but the attitude I've seen from Killtron in this thread could boil down to a total disrespect of authority which could one day (and I'll bold this) greatly compromise the safety of a flight.

LOL if anyone on here has experience being wrong it's me.

Forgive me Stan for taking everything said with some skepticism and challenging your position. Believe it or not I have hardly made up my mind on the direction my career will take from this point.

[dbakeg00]

Originally Posted by Dreampilot

Hey man,

Don't be jealous or envious of others just because they got to that jet quicker. They are the ones spending thousands of dollars to get to that point. They still have to work very very hard through training and also must flight instruct to get where they are. Regionals are in dire need for pilots right now and that why alot of people are getting on with low time. Don't think I went to an academy. I am doing the FBO thing and will be much better off financially than the ones spending 50K to get their ratings. Everyone is different. No disrespect to anyone.

Trust me...im not jealous of you or anyone who is in a jet quicker than me. I have 1000 TT. That is 1000 TT that I worked hard to get. Im in debt to many people for helping me along the way. Im proud of what I have. I could have landed a jet job 400 hours ago...I chose not to. Not bc I dont want a jet job, but because I dont have a family to support right now and I felt my time was better spent doing what Im doing. SIDEBAR: Doug...is there anyway we can set up a boxing ring at Network JC? I would really like to get a couple of guys on here between the ropes. Sometimes I wish we lived in a society where it was acceptible to beat common sense in to someone. However, I guess that is why we have guys/girls fighting a war and risking their lives everyday. They do it so we have a place to live where any idiot (me) can believe anything he wants!

On a serious note...God bless America and the freedom we enjoy. Thanks to all those who have fought and are fighting...all so we can enjoy the high quality lives we have.

[ready2fly]

Originally Posted by Killtron2000

LOL if anyone on here has experience being wrong it's me.

Forgive me Stan for taking everything said with some skepticism and challenging your position. Believe it or not I have hardly made up my mind on the direction my career will take from this point.

Fair enough, but don't totally write off what those of us who are "living the dream" have to say.

Again, it's a small world = aviation. We'd like to help you in any way we can.

But for a guy who is still in training to come across as telling us "that's not how it is" when we're here and you're not.....well....I don't think I need to finish that sentence.

You're an extremely intelligent boy, Arthur. Just be smart enough to listen.

[DE727UPS]

RTF said:

"As for the low-time pilot thing, let me say this:

I was hired at Eagle with 1200TT, 115 multi. To me, for an airline, THAT is still low time.

I was 40 years old at the time of hire. I've lived in the "real world". Had to make real world decisions.

I was so far behind my plane (CRJ-700) for a good three months/300+ hrs. that it'd make your head spin.

At just shy of 400 hrs. in type, I'm still not completly comfortable"

THANK YOU.

I'm getting so sick of this BS. Sometimes I wonder why I bother with this stupid flippin' website. People who haven't done the job don't know squat about it until they do. Once you're on a seniorty list, come back, and I'll have some respect for your views. Tell then, you're blowing smoke and kidding yourself.

And if you don't like the way I come across...feel free to ignore me. Would make my day...

[Bumblebee]

The reason that there are not a bunch of smoking holes in the ground . . .




two words . . .










Experienced Captains!

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by Killtron2000

I'm not disagreeing with that at all but Southwest for example won't even look at your 1900 time because it isn't heavy enough.

Oh man, I'd better ask Chris and Tony from Skyway how they slipped thru!

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by DE727UPS

I'm getting so sick of this BS. Sometimes I wonder why I bother with this stupid flippin' website. People who haven't done the job don't know squat about it until they do. Once you're on a seniorty list, come back, and I'll have some respect for your views. Tell then, you're blowing smoke and kidding yourself.

And if you don't like the way I come across...feel free to ignore me. Would make my day...

It can only be a 'stupid flipping website' because some of the people that have 'made it' disappear and don't return the effort that we put into them when they were newbies back to the community and other professional pilots that don't want to bother with offering a seasoned viewpoint to newbies because this jazz can be highly frustrating.

That's the core of the website. It's easy to preach to the choir, but it's only going to make a difference to reach out and guide the next generation of pilots because they're coming with guidance or not.

The attitude may make you crazy, but you have to ask yourself, "What are you going to do about it". Represent the truth and answer the questions posed, or shake your head and hope that things magically right themselves?

You really need to come to a Meet and Greet and hear how many people say, "I was headed to (insert mega bad decision) because I thought it was a great deal until I found Jetcareers".

It's hard work, it makes me crazy, takes up most of my free time and I answer the same five questions over and over again, but I think every little bit helps because we've got a big beast to slay if we expect this profession not to devolve into "a neat job before I start law school". Especially with the stark reality of people entering the profession straight from flight schools to the right seat of a CL-900 without any tutelage from professional aviators beyond their CFI's.

And if their captains are a product of that same environment... Mashed potatoes and gravy! Help me, some'boddah help me! Laaaaaaa! (sorry, it's that GEICO commercial) -- they're going to be sitting there, $120,000 in debt wondering when the dream starts.

[KLB]

What? Southwest doesn't look at 99, 1900, or metro time? Oh boy...whatever will I do? I guess I just better hang up this freight gig.

[TechFlyer]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

You really need to come to a Meet and Greet and hear how many people say, "I was headed to (insert mega bad decision) because I thought it was a great deal until I found Jetcareers".

It's hard work, it makes me crazy, takes up most of my free time and I answer the same five questions over and over again, but I think every little bit helps because we've got a big beast to slay if we expect this profession not to devolve into "a neat job before I start law school". Especially with the stark reality of people entering the profession straight from flight schools to the right seat of a CL-900 without any tutelage from professional aviators beyond their CFI's.

Wow. That pretty much sums up everything right there. I haven't been to a meet and greet but I'm one of those who can say "I was headed to..." until I found JC. Too many people out there have heard nothing from people in the industry that are in the know. They are extremely uneducated regarding the state of the industry. People just see that they can pay so much money and get hired to fly. This really is a beast of a problem and it's caused by ignorance. They don't know what they're doing and it's really sad. Reading the part about being a "neat job before law school" cut deep. What a tragedy that would be.

[ready2fly]

Originally Posted by DE727UPS

RTF said:

"As for the low-time pilot thing, let me say this:

I was hired at Eagle with 1200TT, 115 multi. To me, for an airline, THAT is still low time.

I was 40 years old at the time of hire. I've lived in the "real world". Had to make real world decisions.

I was so far behind my plane (CRJ-700) for a good three months/300+ hrs. that it'd make your head spin.

At just shy of 400 hrs. in type, I'm still not completly comfortable"

THANK YOU.

I'm getting so sick of this BS. Sometimes I wonder why I bother with this stupid flippin' website. People who haven't done the job don't know squat about it until they do. Once you're on a seniorty list, come back, and I'll have some respect for your views. Tell then, you're blowing smoke and kidding yourself.

And if you don't like the way I come across...feel free to ignore me. Would make my day...

Wow. Quite the passionate response.

Therefore, I believe I need to quantify my statements with a few caviats that may further explain why I am not entirely comfortable in my particular aircraft with my particular hours:

1. I have been at Eagle for almost a year (March 6th) and have flown 340 hours;

2. I am still on reserve and only get used sparingly, thus because I do not hold a line, I don't have the chance to get into a "rythm" which I believe is HIGHLY important;

3. What I posted was my experience. In no way do I mean to infer that my brothers and sisters of like times at the dates of hire are experiencing the same discomfort. Conversly, one of my good friends bid the EMB, held a line in 2 months and is QUITE comfortable in his aircraft. He had 1100TT when he was hired.

4. I'm am certainly not on the "don't hire low-time pilots" bandwagon. Hire them, train them right, and pair them with competent, experienced captains and let them learn.

5. If anyone - I'll say it again - If ANYONE who is currently flying a jet can say that they were 100% "on top" of their game from day 1 in the right seat - I'll call them a liar and I'd gladly repeat same to that persons face.

6. Being "uncomfortable" doesn't mean that I cannot fly the plane. I would not have been allowed to finish training if I could not fly with the accepted level of safety. "Uncomfortable" means that I am still learning the nuances of the aircraft. I have not put myself, my crews or my passengers in situations that were unsafe.

7. And I'll shut up after this, those who have problems with inexperienced pilots need to first remember where they came from (zero hours like the rest of us), then they need to reconsider what a captains role is - First and foremost to ensure the safety of his flight, but somewhere in that job description, I'm sure you'll find something about teaching that pilot in the other seat something about being a good captain.

Just my $0.02. Spend it wisely.

Stan

[lnewby]

If I could add my couple of cents to this subject. IMO it's all about attitude. As a low time pilot you can't come in thinking you know everything, and you can do it better. I think that the dynamic of the aviation industry has changed over the years. The opportunites are there for people to get "regional" airline jobs with fewer hours than in the past. I use the term regional loosely because it's not the way it used to be. You used to not even be able to get a CFI job until you had 1000 hours TT.

I think that most of the Captains might be a little more receptive if the low time pilots were a little more humble and appreciative.

[flyguy]

Originally Posted by DE727UPS

If your tangible reason is that airplanes aren't making smoking holes in the ground so it must be okay, then get rid of F/O's all together cause the CO757 going to Mexico didn't crash after one of the pilots died. Modern planes must only need one pilot to be safe, then.

Ooooo!!! Be carefull!!! Don't give the airline executives any ideas!

[Baradium]

Originally Posted by flyguy

Ooooo!!! Be carefull!!! Don't give the airline executives any ideas!

If my company could convince the FAA to let them, they'd furlough all the F/Os and operate single pilot in a heartbeat.