PIC Logging question

Sprint100 · February 7th, 2007, 16:10

I can't believe I'm asking this, but I've been asking alot of seemingly silly questions in regards to piloting as a profession. Here goes.......When the first officer flies a leg does he log that time as PIC? The reason I ask is because I am assuming that some jobs out there require PIC turbine time and wondered if you just had to stay at your current carrier to upgrade to CA of a jet to get PIC time or if FOs can log some time as PIC?

kellwolf · February 7th, 2007, 16:22

Man, this one has been beaten to death.

Here's the way I think of it. Anyone else that wants to argue, fine. I'm just giving my opinion. In the 121 world, you have ONE PIC, and that's the guy that signs for the airplane, aka the CA. Even if I HAD a type in the CRJ, I wouldn't log my legs as PIC. Why? I haven't been checked out as a PIC at my company. Sure, you can talk about how the regs let you under 61-whatever, but our Ops Specs say you need a 121 PIC check in order to be PIC. Now, I'm sure there's gonna be at least one person say "Well, if you do it that way you're cheating yourself" blah blah blah. Whatever. I don't agree. I'm perfectly happy with that line of thinking, and like I said, even if I had a type, I wouldn't log it. What other people do is their business.

Ralgha · February 7th, 2007, 16:40

If the FO has a type rating, then it's perfectly legal to log the legs he/she flies. Only thing is that any company that requires turbine PIC time only counts the ACTING PIC time. Despite the fact that the FO can be logging PIC time, he/she is not the ACTING PIC. Only the captain is, regardless of who's actually flying.

Sprint100 · February 7th, 2007, 17:45

Thanks guys. Sorry to bring up an old one Kell

I know there have been tons of PIC questions but I guess I didn't pay close enough attention

kellwolf · February 7th, 2007, 22:44

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Originally Posted by Sprint100

Thanks guys. Sorry to bring up an old one Kell

I know there have been tons of PIC questions but I guess I didn't pay close enough attention

Hey man, no problem. You noticed I actually answered the question (be it in my own sarcastic fashion) instead of just saying "Use the search function, ya big dummy!"

February 7th, 2007, 16:10	#1
Sprint100 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In my Cozy garage Posts: 6,272	PIC Logging question I can't believe I'm asking this, but I've been asking alot of seemingly silly questions in regards to piloting as a profession. Here goes.......When the first officer flies a leg does he log that time as PIC? The reason I ask is because I am assuming that some jobs out there require PIC turbine time and wondered if you just had to stay at your current carrier to upgrade to CA of a jet to get PIC time or if FOs can log some time as PIC? __________________ Excellence is not a single act, but a habit. "I have learned over the years that when one's mind is made up, that diminshes fear" - Rosa Parks

February 7th, 2007, 16:22	#2
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,230	Re: PIC Logging question Man, this one has been beaten to death. Here's the way I think of it. Anyone else that wants to argue, fine. I'm just giving my opinion. In the 121 world, you have ONE PIC, and that's the guy that signs for the airplane, aka the CA. Even if I HAD a type in the CRJ, I wouldn't log my legs as PIC. Why? I haven't been checked out as a PIC at my company. Sure, you can talk about how the regs let you under 61-whatever, but our Ops Specs say you need a 121 PIC check in order to be PIC. Now, I'm sure there's gonna be at least one person say "Well, if you do it that way you're cheating yourself" blah blah blah. Whatever. I don't agree. I'm perfectly happy with that line of thinking, and like I said, even if I had a type, I wouldn't log it. What other people do is their business. __________________ "I'm The Doctor, by the way. Run for your life!"

February 7th, 2007, 16:40	#3
Ralgha Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 944	Re: PIC Logging question If the FO has a type rating, then it's perfectly legal to log the legs he/she flies. Only thing is that any company that requires turbine PIC time only counts the ACTING PIC time. Despite the fact that the FO can be logging PIC time, he/she is not the ACTING PIC. Only the captain is, regardless of who's actually flying. __________________ 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

February 7th, 2007, 17:45	#4
Sprint100 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In my Cozy garage Posts: 6,272	Re: PIC Logging question Thanks guys. Sorry to bring up an old one Kell I know there have been tons of PIC questions but I guess I didn't pay close enough attention __________________ Excellence is not a single act, but a habit. "I have learned over the years that when one's mind is made up, that diminshes fear" - Rosa Parks

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