San Antonio is abuzz for XJT!

[bwade210]

I for one think that XJT has a great idea focusing on S.A. San Antonio is a city that is growing more and more every year with larger corporations continuing to move deep in the heart of Texas. (i.e. AT&T, USAA, Valero)

http://www.mysanantonio.com/business...t.11002c2.html

[Chris_Ford]

Yes!!! It worked so well for United!11111

[Captain_Bob]

Originally Posted by San Antonio Article

Snacks, meals and 100 stations of XM satellite radio will be complimentary. Premium wine will sell for about $3 a glass and beer for $1.

"I don't even know where you can get that here in town," Mayor Phil Hardberger said of the $1 beer at a news conference Monday.

Bob

[MusketeerMan]

I know we're excited to be getting them here in in Sac as well as Ont as a hub... This brings a new hope for me personally of being able to stay out west when I get hired other than SkyWest.

$1 BEER!!!! I didn't know that!!

Here's the local article from the Sac Bee

http://www.sacbee.com/103/story/117796.html

[WestIndian425]

Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

Yes!!! It worked so well for United!11111

I doubt UAL was using 50 seat jets.

[frog_flyer]

what are the fares going to look like?

[Toria]

Originally Posted by frog_flyer

what are the fares going to look like?

Saw an article in the paper here (TUS) that fares will start around $69.00 for a limited number of seats TUS to SAT each way.

[Captain_Bob]

Originally Posted by frog_flyer

what are the fares going to look like?

www.xjet.com

See for yourself...

[Chris_Ford]

Originally Posted by WestIndian425

I doubt UAL was using 50 seat jets.

1) They were. See: TSA focus city, late 2005-early 2006. Failed MISERABLY out of SAT.
2) 50 seat jets != economical. I can't wait until the day people finally figure that out.

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by Toria

Saw an article in the paper here (TUS) that fares will start around $69.00 for a limited number of seats TUS to SAT each way.

I know you are only the messenger. . .

$69!!!! One WAY!! OMFG - Why is it not any LOWER!!! x .00001

[bwade210]

Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

1) They were. See: TSA focus city, late 2005-early 2006. Failed MISERABLY out of SAT.
2) 50 seat jets != economical. I can't wait until the day people finally figure that out.

Chris, not be a hard on or anything....but could you please not post in a thread that I start. Thanks.

[Captain_Bob]

Originally Posted by bwade210

Chris, not be a hard on or anything....but could you please not post in a thread that I start. Thanks.

[X-Forces]

Originally Posted by bwade210

Chris, not be a hard on or anything....but could you please not post in a thread that I start. Thanks.

Damn!!!

That was hard, dawg!!

[Chris_Ford]

Originally Posted by bwade210

Chris, not be a hard on or anything....but could you please not post in a thread that I start. Thanks.

Only once your airline stops rehashing ideas that have failed already.

Indy air + UAL's SAT focus city = failure.

[Callous]

[quote=MusketeerMan;523040]

$1 BEER!!!! I didn't know that!!
QUOTE]

Is that offer also extended to flight deck personnel?

[Captain_Bob]

Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

Only once your airline stops rehashing ideas that have failed already.

Indy air + UAL's SAT focus city = failure.

Chris... I know your smarter than that...

Even the Wall Street cats are starting to figure out that there is no comparison to Indy in our business plan. As for the UAL focus city... different time... different equipment... different markets... different business plan.

Give us some love there bro'...

Bob

[flywithUS]

Originally Posted by MusketeerMan

$1 BEER!!!! I didn't know that!!

Can I get that beer to-go please?

[Bigey]

Originally Posted by MusketeerMan

I know we're excited to be getting them here in in Sac as well as Ont as a hub... This brings a new hope for me personally of being able to stay out west when I get hired other than SkyWest.

$1 BEER!!!! I didn't know that!!

Here's the local article from the Sac Bee

http://www.sacbee.com/103/story/117796.html

Sweet ONT as hub! That's only like 5 minutes from my house. All the more reasons to try and get on with them! Stay local!

[Nismaxdan]

Originally Posted by bwade210

Chris, not be a hard on or anything....but could you please not post in a thread that I start. Thanks.

Daaammmmmnnn!

[Chris_Ford]

Originally Posted by Captain_Bob

Chris... I know your smarter than that...

Even the Wall Street cats are starting to figure out that there is no comparison to Indy in our business plan. As for the UAL focus city... different time... different equipment... different markets... different business plan.

Give us some love there bro'...

Bob

Re: UAL focus city.

"different time..." 1 year later... things have dramatically changed in SAT since 2005-06?

"different equipment" You guys are operating a different sort of ERJ 145 than TSA was?

"different markets..." More markets, sure. Good thing overgrowth has never had any negative effects on an airline

"different business plan" Sure. But in this business plan, if the planes run at zero profit and zero loss, they'll be lauded as a huge success.

Just remember, Indy Air was saying these same things. And I'm not doubting your company's ability to do it. My original intentions were to point out that SAT, a city where 18% lives below the poverty line, isn't necessarily going to be a huge untapped market. How many people in SAT have business in SMF anyway?

[X-Forces]

Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

Re: UAL focus city.

"different time..." 1 year later... things have dramatically changed in SAT since 2005-06?

"different equipment" You guys are operating a different sort of ERJ 145 than TSA was?

"different markets..." More markets, sure. Good thing overgrowth has never had any negative effects on an airline

"different business plan" Sure. But in this business plan, if the planes run at zero profit and zero loss, they'll be lauded as a huge success.

Just remember, Indy Air was saying these same things. And I'm not doubting your company's ability to do it. My original intentions were to point out that SAT, a city where 18% lives below the poverty line, isn't necessarily going to be a huge untapped market. How many people in SAT have business in SMF anyway?

Hmmmm.


Got to give it to him. That wasn't at all facetious or sarcastic, and the points are valid.

Hate the prospect that he might be correct, don’t hate the man.

[WestIndian425]

Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

Re: UAL focus city.

"different time..." 1 year later... things have dramatically changed in SAT since 2005-06?

"different equipment" You guys are operating a different sort of ERJ 145 than TSA was?

"different markets..." More markets, sure. Good thing overgrowth has never had any negative effects on an airline

"different business plan" Sure. But in this business plan, if the planes run at zero profit and zero loss, they'll be lauded as a huge success.

Just remember, Indy Air was saying these same things. And I'm not doubting your company's ability to do it. My original intentions were to point out that SAT, a city where 18% lives below the poverty line, isn't necessarily going to be a huge untapped market. How many people in SAT have business in SMF anyway?

FlyI didn't just fail because of it's CRJ's. The business plan is completely different, and I seriously doubt that XJT will go to Airbus or Boeing for some larger equipment. Like the Captain said, even Wall Street is starting to realize that.

Besides, the branded flying does not represent the bulk of ExpressJet Holdings' business.

[Captain_Bob]

Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

Re: UAL focus city.

"different time..." 1 year later... things have dramatically changed in SAT since 2005-06?

Have you checked the price of fuel and the state of the economy lately vs. this time last year and the previous year?

Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

"different equipment" You guys are operating a different sort of ERJ 145 than TSA was?

Yep... LR's and XR's vs. ER's. More fuel efficient, longer range, less weight restrictions.

Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

"different markets..." More markets, sure. Good thing overgrowth has never had any negative effects on an airline

Not "overgrowth" at all... We are operating the same equipment we always have. Just serving a different customer. We didn't need to "acquire" new planes, new pilots, new contracts, and have new training thrown in.

Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

"different business plan" Sure. But in this business plan, if the planes run at zero profit and zero loss, they'll be lauded as a huge success.

Correct... no arguement there. Of course there is an investment in the actual business that will need to be made up... no different that any business plan. If we do break even... then we've kept hundreds of pilots, thousands of employees gainfully employed, and lots of airframes out of the desert, equaling success for the economy.

Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

Just remember, Indy Air was saying these same things. And I'm not doubting your company's ability to do it. My original intentions were to point out that SAT, a city where 18% lives below the poverty line, isn't necessarily going to be a huge untapped market. How many people in SAT have business in SMF anyway?

Indy wasn't saying the same thing at all... They were saying... "Same crappy economy, Same business plan (hub & spoke, same base), same markets as a DIRECT Competitor... their old "mothership", let's add a new fleet type and totally spend our money, different company".

Regarding the 18% below the poverty line... I personally haven't researched that so good on you for the google. But I do know that folks in higher paygrades than me did reserch it and thought it to be a good time to hit this market. (Not saying that people in higher paygrades are smarter than you and me... just saying they were paid to devote a lot of time and energy to that specific point).

In addition... the 18% is not our market focus nor the "untapped market" we are looking at. We are being marketed toward the "business" traveler. Making life a bit more efficient for these guys at rates competitive with (not discounted from) the Major's in that market now... without the hassle of connecting/misconnecting in a city that is hundreds of miles and a few hours in the opposite direction of their destination.

Remember... SAT is a very small percentage part of our overall plan... so arguing this one city will not make or break this airline.

In addition to all that... our plan is fluid and flexible... if SAT does end up being stale like you say... we remove a route or two and place those aircraft on the routes that are successful in another part of the country. Something that a Regional working under a CPA does not have the ability to do.

Bob

[Seggy]

We can argue all day on how XJT is going to do with this new venture. But lets face it only time will tell how they do. This industry is so weird who the heck knows.

Good luck to them!

[Captain_Bob]

Originally Posted by Seggy

We can argue all day on how XJT is going to do with this new venture. But lets face it only time will tell how they do. This industry is so weird who the heck knows.

Good luck to them!

One thing I do agree with!! It's all a crap shoot.

Oh yeah... and that we need the luck!

Bob