GoJets Question

PurduePilot · February 5th, 2007, 20:26

I believe this is a sensitive topic to everyone, so please go easy on me. I don't want to start a flame war... this is just an honest question.

What's up with the whole GoJets endeavor? Why is it such a hot topic... I honestly don't understand it.

As is my understanding it's an airline within an airline (ie: Song to Delta). Is it that they're starting it to undercut the "mainline" TSA pay?

Please be civil here... I'm just trying to understand the hubbub...

JEP · February 5th, 2007, 20:30

Have a good read :

http://www.jetcareers.com/forums/sea...earchid=331042

many questions will be answered.

Hah, I just beat you Don, even did the search for him...

DE727UPS · February 5th, 2007, 20:30

"... I honestly don't understand it"

Start by spending an hour with the search feature. There has been a lot of discussion about this in the past.

OldTownPilot · February 5th, 2007, 20:31

GoJets is NOT an airline within an airline.

They are a non-union alter-ego airline created be TS holdings to fly the 70 seat jets for less than the TSA pilots get for their 50 seat jets.

The same thing happened with the origional Freedom over at Mesa (nothing to do with the current freedom) except its the same certificate.

surreal1221 · February 5th, 2007, 20:31

BlowJETS!!!

x .00001

BobDDuck · February 5th, 2007, 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldTownPilot

They are a non-union alter-ego airline created be TS holdings to fly the 70 seat jets for less than the TSA pilots get for their 50 seat jets.

Not that I don't enjoy bashing gojets as much as the next guy, but they are actually a union shop. The Teamsters picked them up. However, the people actually running the union are management pilots.

OldTownPilot · February 5th, 2007, 20:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

Not that I don't enjoy bashing gojets as much as the next guy, but they are actually a union shop. The Teamsters picked them up. However, the people actually running the union are management pilots.

So they did a second time?

Gotta love the bogus union drive they had with zero pilots

And how the heck is a union run by management?

PurduePilot · February 5th, 2007, 20:57

Am I to understand that if a person applies to TSA, they are, in fact, applying to GoJets too?

I apologize for the redundant thread.

BobDDuck · February 5th, 2007, 21:35

A union is run by management pilots when it is "voted" in by a pilot list that only has management pilots on it at the time. Now that they have regular line pilots there was a TA floated that the group voted down. Interesting stuff.

And no, applying to TSA does not mean you are going to GoJets. They were playing that game before, but I don't know if that happens every time. I have a friend that is going through ERJ training at TSA right now.

PurduePilot · February 5th, 2007, 21:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldTownPilot

They are a non-union alter-ego airline created be TS holdings to fly the 70 seat jets for less than the TSA pilots get for their 50 seat jets.

Less than $18k/year and still call it legal?

Doug Taylor · February 6th, 2007, 03:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurduePilot

I believe this is a sensitive topic to everyone, so please go easy on me. I don't want to start a flame war... this is just an honest question.

What's up with the whole GoJets endeavor? Why is it such a hot topic... I honestly don't understand it.

As is my understanding it's an airline within an airline (ie: Song to Delta). Is it that they're starting it to undercut the "mainline" TSA pay?

Please be civil here... I'm just trying to understand the hubbub...

Hot Topics archive! I think there might be something in there.

But if you go to GoJets, I'm whipping your ace!

Chris_Ford · February 6th, 2007, 04:09

eh no worries, he's with the gub'ment now.

PurduePilot · February 7th, 2007, 19:30

Yep... in school down here in OKC for ATC -- assigned to CAK when I get out.

I would have liked to do the pilot thing, but it was purely financial. I can't live on $18k for the next 5 years of my life.

By the time most of you are making $36k, I'll be making close to $100k (and perhaps a tower manager).

ComplexHiAv8r · February 7th, 2007, 20:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurduePilot

Yep... in school down here in OKC for ATC -- assigned to CAK when I get out.

I would have liked to do the pilot thing, but it was purely financial. I can't live on $18k for the next 5 years of my life.

By the time most of you are making $36k, I'll be making close to $100k (and perhaps a tower manager).

CAK!!!!! HEY CAK! When do you think you will end up in this area?
Also, I thought there was a pay reduction for controllers?

Chris_Ford · February 7th, 2007, 21:33

He's GoJetting in the ATC world

PurduePilot · February 7th, 2007, 22:22

Yeah, what can I say... I'm a scab.

Seriously though.... the sentiment among everyone is that the pay WILL go back up. Apparently NATACA's talks went really well last Thursday --- but it is the federal government.... so we shall see.

PurduePilot · February 7th, 2007, 22:32

Oh... I'll be arriving in CAK sometime around March 15th (if everything goes well... if not... there's always Mesa).

ComplexHiAv8r · February 7th, 2007, 22:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurduePilot

Oh... I'll be arriving in CAK sometime around March 15th (if everything goes well... if not... there's always Mesa).

Good, listen for me trying to get back to AKR on the 18th from an AL trip.

PurduePilot · February 7th, 2007, 22:44

Uh oh... now you've given me a reason to whip this one out, "Cessna 123, remain clear of the Akron/Canton Class Charlie airspace."

Seriously though, I'll probably down below memorizing taxiway diagrams and approach procedures.

ComplexHiAv8r · February 7th, 2007, 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurduePilot

Uh oh... now you've given me a reason to whip this one out, "Cessna 123, remain clear of the Akron/Canton Class Charlie airspace."

Seriously though, I'll probably down below memorizing taxiway diagrams and approach procedures.

LOL, that wouldn't be me....I'll be in a Cirrus!

PurduePilot · February 7th, 2007, 23:36

Oh man! A Cirrus!! You'll have to take me up!

February 5th, 2007, 20:26	#1
PurduePilot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Sherborn, Massachusetts USA Posts: 1,309	GoJets Question I believe this is a sensitive topic to everyone, so please go easy on me. I don't want to start a flame war... this is just an honest question. What's up with the whole GoJets endeavor? Why is it such a hot topic... I honestly don't understand it. As is my understanding it's an airline within an airline (ie: Song to Delta). Is it that they're starting it to undercut the "mainline" TSA pay? Please be civil here... I'm just trying to understand the hubbub... __________________ Neil Harrison

February 5th, 2007, 20:30	#2
JEP Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Eden Prairie, MN (KFCM) (KMSP) Posts: 11,191 Blog Entries: 1	Re: GoJets Question Have a good read : http://www.jetcareers.com/forums/sea...earchid=331042 many questions will be answered. Hah, I just beat you Don, even did the search for him... __________________ : : : “One day your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure its worth watching.”

February 5th, 2007, 20:30	#3
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,577	Re: GoJets Question "... I honestly don't understand it" Start by spending an hour with the search feature. There has been a lot of discussion about this in the past.

February 5th, 2007, 20:31	#4
OldTownPilot Old Skool Join Date: May 2005 Location: BGR (Bangor, ME) Posts: 3,159 Blog Entries: 9	Re: GoJets Question GoJets is NOT an airline within an airline. They are a non-union alter-ego airline created be TS holdings to fly the 70 seat jets for less than the TSA pilots get for their 50 seat jets. The same thing happened with the origional Freedom over at Mesa (nothing to do with the current freedom) except its the same certificate. __________________ As a wise man said, sumb!tch flew in, sumb!tch'll fly out. Ski Hard. Party Harder.

February 5th, 2007, 20:31	#5
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 10,352	Re: GoJets Question BlowJETS!!! x .00001 __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \| The TRoP \| Rmble On \| ALPA \| IVAW \| ACLU \|

February 5th, 2007, 20:57	#8
PurduePilot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Sherborn, Massachusetts USA Posts: 1,309	Re: GoJets Question Am I to understand that if a person applies to TSA, they are, in fact, applying to GoJets too? I apologize for the redundant thread. __________________ Neil Harrison

February 5th, 2007, 21:35	#9
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 5,924	Re: GoJets Question A union is run by management pilots when it is "voted" in by a pilot list that only has management pilots on it at the time. Now that they have regular line pilots there was a TA floated that the group voted down. Interesting stuff. And no, applying to TSA does not mean you are going to GoJets. They were playing that game before, but I don't know if that happens every time. I have a friend that is going through ERJ training at TSA right now. __________________ TBJC08 The Gear Monkey The Gear Monkey Store

February 6th, 2007, 04:09	#12
Chris_Ford Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,329	Re: GoJets Question eh no worries, he's with the gub'ment now.

February 7th, 2007, 19:30	#13
PurduePilot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Sherborn, Massachusetts USA Posts: 1,309	Re: GoJets Question Yep... in school down here in OKC for ATC -- assigned to CAK when I get out. I would have liked to do the pilot thing, but it was purely financial. I can't live on $18k for the next 5 years of my life. By the time most of you are making $36k, I'll be making close to $100k (and perhaps a tower manager). __________________ Neil Harrison

February 7th, 2007, 21:33	#15
Chris_Ford Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,329	Re: GoJets Question He's GoJetting in the ATC world

February 7th, 2007, 22:22	#16
PurduePilot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Sherborn, Massachusetts USA Posts: 1,309	Re: GoJets Question Yeah, what can I say... I'm a scab. Seriously though.... the sentiment among everyone is that the pay WILL go back up. Apparently NATACA's talks went really well last Thursday --- but it is the federal government.... so we shall see. __________________ Neil Harrison

February 7th, 2007, 22:32	#17
PurduePilot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Sherborn, Massachusetts USA Posts: 1,309	Re: GoJets Question Oh... I'll be arriving in CAK sometime around March 15th (if everything goes well... if not... there's always Mesa). __________________ Neil Harrison

February 7th, 2007, 22:44	#19
PurduePilot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Sherborn, Massachusetts USA Posts: 1,309	Re: GoJets Question Uh oh... now you've given me a reason to whip this one out, "Cessna 123, remain clear of the Akron/Canton Class Charlie airspace." Seriously though, I'll probably down below memorizing taxiway diagrams and approach procedures. __________________ Neil Harrison

February 7th, 2007, 23:36	#21
PurduePilot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Sherborn, Massachusetts USA Posts: 1,309	Re: GoJets Question Oh man! A Cirrus!! You'll have to take me up! __________________ Neil Harrison

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