True first year FO Take Home

ComplexHiAv8r · December 21st, 2006, 10:24

Ok, wife and I have been talking and working on reducing our spending to allow me to move over to aviation if I can ever get my ASS in gear. We have been reducing the past few years, but she is asking me for the living budget to see if we really can make it on First year FO and her PT job.

What is the actual takehome (not including per diem) seen by you First year FO's this year? Check that last paycheck!

Thanks
Tracy

Sprint100 · December 21st, 2006, 10:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by ComplexHiAv8r

Ok, wife and I have been talking and working on reducing our spending to allow me to move over to aviation if I can ever get my ASS in gear. We have been reducing the past few years, but she is asking me for the living budget to see if we really can make it on First year FO and her PT job.

What is the actual takehome (not including per diem) seen by you First year FO's this year? Check that last paycheck!

Thanks
Tracy

I've been looking at some paycheck stubs and have noticed that it does vary from about 25,000 to 33,000. I would bank on the 25,000 though. This is my year to finally get my ASS in gear because my wife and I have reduced enough to allow me bringing in a FO amount of pay.

FlyChicaga · December 21st, 2006, 10:36

I made about $24,000 my second year of first year FO pay. It was significantly lower my true first year of first year FO pay, which was in the $19,000 range. As a second year FO, I made about $41,000. Hope this helps!

ComplexHiAv8r · December 21st, 2006, 10:43

It this Gross Wages or Net? I am guess Gross, but I could be wrong....

Stone Cold · December 21st, 2006, 10:50

My guess is gross...I don't know anybody that talks about net when discussing pay!!

Seggy · December 21st, 2006, 11:30

In the pro pilot section I made a post as well as wheelsup. Run a search and you should find the two linkies.

Heath · December 21st, 2006, 11:35

Well, he asked for "take-home pay," which, to me, means net. I take home $1,200/month plus any per diem and over guarantee which can range from $0-$800. That's after taxes and insurance for me and my wife, no kids. So if you worked for Colgan with a wife and no kids and got based in the NE where you never get per diem, you could count on between $15,000-17,000 take-home in the Saab.

pilot602 · December 21st, 2006, 11:41

My last "full" paycheck (long story) was $820.82. That's a two week paycheck for 43 hours (that's over garuantee) including per diem. Per diem was something like $200+/-. In training my take home pay was more like $500 every two weeks and I was in training for three months. So ...

Three months of training = $3,000~
Nine months of a line guarantee (held a line from my first month off IOE) = $14,778~

Grand total for take home pay is going to be right around = $17,778~
That's after taxes, benefits (I pay nearly $80 per pay check for benefits alone) and uniform deduction.

Seggy · December 21st, 2006, 11:46

http://forums.jetcareers.com/showthr...First+Year+Pay (Another First Year Pay Post)

http://forums.jetcareers.com/showthread.php?t=30439 (What one year at a regional will get you)

Here ya go.

ComplexHiAv8r · December 21st, 2006, 11:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seggy

http://forums.jetcareers.com/showthr...First+Year+Pay (Another First Year Pay Post)

http://forums.jetcareers.com/showthread.php?t=30439 (What one year at a regional will get you)

Here ya go.

Thanks, I was reading them already!!!
See, I'm getting serious about it!!!
Need to get busy living it, or get busy dieing without it!

casey · December 21st, 2006, 11:54

my first year of pay i grossed just under $20k, which does not include per diem. That was basically just under 2 months of training which was per-diem only no hourly pay, 6 months of reserve (guarantee), 4 months of relief/hardline (over guarantee) and profit sharing.

takehome pay for the reserve months was around 12-1400/month (inlcudes per-diem) and a little higher when i was holding a line.

zmiller4 · December 21st, 2006, 12:26

Before taxes, I've taken in $5100 in the 2.5 months off of IOE, which would work out to a little over $2000 a month. Figure in taxes and paying off this stinkin leather jacket, I've netted $4300, or $1700/month. At this rate I'll make about 20,500 for the year. This has been flying 60hrs a month, crediting about 90, so I haven't really been flying my butt off. I'm holding a hard line now, so I won't be able to work the reserve system like I did, but I still am going to be crediting at least 90hrs a month.

Soul Brotha' · December 21st, 2006, 12:58

I've only been flying at an airline for about 5 months and this is how it's been averaging out. We get paid twice a month. The first payment is one half of my guarantee is which is 37.5 X 23= $862. Then they throw in some other money owed, GUAR PROT and RIG PAY which is an additional $170 a pay period. After taxes and uniform deductions it's about $750 a month on the average. Then the second payment is what I mentioned above, per diem, and any hours that I go over my guarantee. So far it has been averaging about $1600 per second paycheck. This is not the norm. My airline is in need of pilots so they use the reserves to the fullest. The past 3 months I have been averaging about 95 hours per month. Hopes this helps.

greaper007 · December 21st, 2006, 13:05

I guess the real question is, "How much will you make, and how much MORE can your wife make?" At least that's my question (for my wife).....lol

ComplexHiAv8r · December 21st, 2006, 13:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by greaper007

I guess the real question is, "How much will you make, and how much MORE can your wife make?" At least that's my question (for my wife).....lol

We have talked about her taking on more hours at work, but we also have a 2.5 in daycare which is hitting the budget big time.

Also, is there any credit ($$) if you DON'T take the medical plan with an airline? Wife will be eligable for medical in a few months even at PT.

greaper007 · December 21st, 2006, 13:36

Yeah, from what I understand you usually have to pay extra for insurance (at the interview they told me between 70 and 230 a month). So you don't have to buy it, but you're not going to be making anymore without it.

Lee D · December 21st, 2006, 13:52

My 1st year W2 was just over $18K. Yahoo.

I know you don't want to count per diem, but on 1st year pay I found that I was fairly conservative in my use of it. (meaning I did not "eat" all of it on the overnights.) Per diem gave me another tax free $3 or 3 1/2 grand or so. I don't remember exactly.

TheFlyingTurkey · December 21st, 2006, 15:46

I brought home $1700 per month at Piedmont. And that was without withholding for the medical insurance (my wife's insurance was better, so I got a $30 per check credit for not using the insurance) That did include withholding for uniforms, and of course all the usual taxes.

Speaking of uniforms...Piedmont uses Cintas uniforms and the company absolutely blows chunks. Back in August of 2005 I ordered 2 sets of FO sliders and I never got them, they said they were on "back order". I left Piedmont in May 2006. TODAY I get 2 sets of sliders from Cintas via DHL. Morons...friggin morons.

dakovich · December 21st, 2006, 21:21

ha ha, i'll be doubling my pay if i get with a regional. barely gonna clear $12K this year flying 135

racers2207 · December 21st, 2006, 22:43

I'm taking home about $2300/month on first year pay at Piedmont after taxes. That does include per diem which averages about $300/month. I am crediting about 100 hours of pay per month, so it would be significantly less if I was at guarantee.

December 21st, 2006, 10:24	#1
ComplexHiAv8r Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: North East Ohio Posts: 4,482	True first year FO Take Home Ok, wife and I have been talking and working on reducing our spending to allow me to move over to aviation if I can ever get my ASS in gear. We have been reducing the past few years, but she is asking me for the living budget to see if we really can make it on First year FO and her PT job. What is the actual takehome (not including per diem) seen by you First year FO's this year? Check that last paycheck! Thanks Tracy __________________ Oh, to be home again! Get Busy Living, or Get Busy Dying....

December 21st, 2006, 10:36	#3
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,743	Re: True first year FO Take Home I made about $24,000 my second year of first year FO pay. It was significantly lower my true first year of first year FO pay, which was in the $19,000 range. As a second year FO, I made about $41,000. Hope this helps! __________________ Tough times do not last. Tough people do.

December 21st, 2006, 10:43	#4
ComplexHiAv8r Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: North East Ohio Posts: 4,482	Re: True first year FO Take Home It this Gross Wages or Net? I am guess Gross, but I could be wrong.... __________________ Oh, to be home again! Get Busy Living, or Get Busy Dying....

December 21st, 2006, 10:50	#5
Stone Cold Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SE US Posts: 2,917	Re: True first year FO Take Home My guess is gross...I don't know anybody that talks about net when discussing pay!!

December 21st, 2006, 11:30	#6
Seggy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Somewhere in the Northeast Posts: 4,875	Re: True first year FO Take Home In the pro pilot section I made a post as well as wheelsup. Run a search and you should find the two linkies.

December 21st, 2006, 11:35	#7
Heath Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Bowling Green, KY Posts: 303	Re: True first year FO Take Home Well, he asked for "take-home pay," which, to me, means net. I take home $1,200/month plus any per diem and over guarantee which can range from $0-$800. That's after taxes and insurance for me and my wife, no kids. So if you worked for Colgan with a wife and no kids and got based in the NE where you never get per diem, you could count on between $15,000-17,000 take-home in the Saab. __________________ Heath Martin, CFI, CFII, MEI --------------------------------------------------------------------- They say money talks. Mine keeps saying, "Goodbye!"

December 21st, 2006, 11:41	#8
pilot602 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: who haa Posts: 3,750	Re: True first year FO Take Home My last "full" paycheck (long story) was $820.82. That's a two week paycheck for 43 hours (that's over garuantee) including per diem. Per diem was something like $200+/-. In training my take home pay was more like $500 every two weeks and I was in training for three months. So ... Three months of training = $3,000~ Nine months of a line guarantee (held a line from my first month off IOE) = $14,778~ Grand total for take home pay is going to be right around = $17,778~ That's after taxes, benefits (I pay nearly $80 per pay check for benefits alone) and uniform deduction. __________________ .......................... p i l o t 6 0 2 insert something witty, here

December 21st, 2006, 11:46	#9
Seggy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Somewhere in the Northeast Posts: 4,875	Re: True first year FO Take Home http://forums.jetcareers.com/showthr...First+Year+Pay (Another First Year Pay Post) http://forums.jetcareers.com/showthread.php?t=30439 (What one year at a regional will get you) Here ya go.

December 21st, 2006, 11:54	#11
casey Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: abe Posts: 849	Re: True first year FO Take Home my first year of pay i grossed just under $20k, which does not include per diem. That was basically just under 2 months of training which was per-diem only no hourly pay, 6 months of reserve (guarantee), 4 months of relief/hardline (over guarantee) and profit sharing. takehome pay for the reserve months was around 12-1400/month (inlcudes per-diem) and a little higher when i was holding a line.

December 21st, 2006, 12:26	#12
zmiller4 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,206	Re: True first year FO Take Home Before taxes, I've taken in $5100 in the 2.5 months off of IOE, which would work out to a little over $2000 a month. Figure in taxes and paying off this stinkin leather jacket, I've netted $4300, or $1700/month. At this rate I'll make about 20,500 for the year. This has been flying 60hrs a month, crediting about 90, so I haven't really been flying my butt off. I'm holding a hard line now, so I won't be able to work the reserve system like I did, but I still am going to be crediting at least 90hrs a month.

December 21st, 2006, 12:58	#13
Soul Brotha' Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Random hotels of America Posts: 460	Re: True first year FO Take Home I've only been flying at an airline for about 5 months and this is how it's been averaging out. We get paid twice a month. The first payment is one half of my guarantee is which is 37.5 X 23= $862. Then they throw in some other money owed, GUAR PROT and RIG PAY which is an additional $170 a pay period. After taxes and uniform deductions it's about $750 a month on the average. Then the second payment is what I mentioned above, per diem, and any hours that I go over my guarantee. So far it has been averaging about $1600 per second paycheck. This is not the norm. My airline is in need of pilots so they use the reserves to the fullest. The past 3 months I have been averaging about 95 hours per month. Hopes this helps.

December 21st, 2006, 13:05	#14
greaper007 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Hartford, Ct Posts: 972	Re: True first year FO Take Home I guess the real question is, "How much will you make, and how much MORE can your wife make?" At least that's my question (for my wife).....lol __________________ <<<<<Hunter S. Thompson extends the Gonzo concept to flying.

December 21st, 2006, 13:36	#16
greaper007 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Hartford, Ct Posts: 972	Re: True first year FO Take Home Yeah, from what I understand you usually have to pay extra for insurance (at the interview they told me between 70 and 230 a month). So you don't have to buy it, but you're not going to be making anymore without it. __________________ <<<<<Hunter S. Thompson extends the Gonzo concept to flying.

December 21st, 2006, 13:52	#17
Lee D Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 562	Re: True first year FO Take Home My 1st year W2 was just over $18K. Yahoo. I know you don't want to count per diem, but on 1st year pay I found that I was fairly conservative in my use of it. (meaning I did not "eat" all of it on the overnights.) Per diem gave me another tax free $3 or 3 1/2 grand or so. I don't remember exactly.

December 21st, 2006, 21:21	#19
dakovich Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,002	Re: True first year FO Take Home ha ha, i'll be doubling my pay if i get with a regional. barely gonna clear $12K this year flying 135

December 21st, 2006, 22:43	#20
racers2207 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 13	Re: True first year FO Take Home I'm taking home about $2300/month on first year pay at Piedmont after taxes. That does include per diem which averages about $300/month. I am crediting about 100 hours of pay per month, so it would be significantly less if I was at guarantee.

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