Nice night for some actual!

[USMC-SGT]

Text: TEMPO 1115 1/4SM FG VV001 Forecast period: 1100 to 1500 UTC 08 December 2006 Forecast type: TEMPORARY: The following changes expected for less than half the time period Visibility: 0.25 miles (0.40 km) Ceiling: indefinite ceiling with vertical visibility of 100 feet AGL Clouds: obscured sky Weather: FG (fog)

[frog_flyer]

"don't be a p***y!!!!"

[jtrain609]

Is that down in San Diego tonight? Too bad I'm flying the box tonight.

[USMC-SGT]

Originally Posted by frog_flyer

"don't be a p***y!!!!"

Oh im not....takeoff is at 1730 local time, I wouldnt pass up some solid IMC

Jtrain..that is the current metar for KCRQ in Carlsbad every airport down here is reporting the same though

KOKB
KCRQ
KSAN
KSEE
KMYF

[casey]

thats nice and low but get a report of the tops. A lot of times when its low dense fog the tops are down low (think 200-500 AGL) and you dont get any actual aside once your in the air.

[surreal1221]

Yup, I'd check out a 00z skew t for southern california. May just be the marine layer.

[zmiller4]

Originally Posted by USMC-SGT

Oh im not....takeoff is at 1730 local time, I wouldnt pass up some solid IMC

Jtrain..that is the current metar for KCRQ in Carlsbad every airport down here is reporting the same though

KOKB
KCRQ
KSAN
KSEE
KMYF

Just a slight correction--that's a TAF, not a METAR. It's forcasting temporary visibilities of a quarter between 3AM and 7AM PST. Right now it's vis 10 in clear skies.

I don't know how it is in San Diego, but be careful with the fog. In the central valley the visibility gets *really* low a lot, and if you catch it as it was getting foggier you weren't getting in until a few hours after sunrise. There are almost always VFR alternates in the Sierra foothills, and I'd guess Socal is the same way, but be careful. A quarter mile visibility is not really fun IFR in a GA airplane (actually, if it's really 1/4sm, it's illegal IFR).

[casey]

Originally Posted by zmiller4

A quarter mile visibility is not really fun IFR in a GA airplane (actually, if it's really 1/4sm, it's illegal IFR).

in part-91 land its not necessarily illegal. 1/4sm might be the reported surface visibility, but if you shoot the approach, find the runway/approach lights and in your expert opinion have the required flight visibility (perhaps established by where the approach lights become visible) then you are legal.

just dont cheat or you might end up like a certain kingair i remember a while back who landed in the touchdown zone, but on the wrong end up the runway and blew right through the localizer (the antenna, not the course )

[USMC-SGT]

update:

I was aware it was a TAF, I just accidentally wrote Metar

It was definately the Marine layer which is very common here for those who have flown here and it was not a good night for actual. I did an approach into OKB and it was vertical visibility of around 300agl and I think a mile or so VIS I had planned to go missed anyway so I didnt actually get down below 1100 msl, other than that CRQ was clear with no obstructions...foiled again! Thats alright...it gave us all something to talk about for a few minutes

[zmiller4]

Originally Posted by casey

in part-91 land its not necessarily illegal. 1/4sm might be the reported surface visibility, but if you shoot the approach, find the runway/approach lights and in your expert opinion have the required flight visibility (perhaps established by where the approach lights become visible) then you are legal.

Sure, it may be reporting 1/4sm vis, and under 91 you can begin the approach. If "every airport down here is reporting" a quarter mile, though, it's probably not a good idea to blast off unless you and your flight school are cool with you and the airplane spending the night a little ways away.
That's all.

[H46Bubba]

Man I miss flying out of Palomar! Fun times.

[USMC-SGT]

Go figure. I went flying tonight and it was reporting clear with 10 miles vis and I ended up in the fog from 2400 msl to 800 msl on my approach.

[zmiller4]

Originally Posted by USMC-SGT

Go figure. I went flying tonight and it was reporting clear with 10 miles vis and I ended up in the fog from 2400 msl to 800 msl on my approach.

It was reporting 10sm vis and clear when it was actually cloudy skies? That weather reporting thing needs to get checked out...

[USMC-SGT]

that was just prior to takeoff, it moved in during the 1.4 of the flight

[H46Bubba]

It moves in pretty quick. I remember I flew up to SMO to have luch at Typhoons and the marine layer moved in as we were pre-flighting the a/c. Of course we were just pvt pilots and didn't want to get stuck there. Tower let us take off to the east against traffic. It was my first tailwind takeoff and a good learning experience.

[SRA_kbad]

There were a number of times (back when I work the night shift @ KSEE) when the fog got so thick, the folks that wanted to land at KMYF couldn't. That marine layer moves in with a vengance somtimes. Those planes usually get diverted to KSEE. I always knew when KMYF was socked in when the early morning AmeriFlight arrived on our ramp.
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