What's so bad about Gulfstream

DMBinHBurg · October 23rd, 2006, 23:25

Hey everyone,
Just curious why everyone hates Gulfstream so much. I feel like I have read some negative comments on them. Is it their pay is to low? It seems like it would be some fun flying down in FL and the islands. Just curious. Thanks

Todd

Seggy · October 23rd, 2006, 23:28

Search function is your friend..

With that said, it is called a pay for job program

http://www.jetcareers.com/content/view/42/65/

DO NOT GO THERE...simple enough eh?

Toonces · October 23rd, 2006, 23:28

do a search. Plenty of info in ALOT of other threads. I hope this isn't an attempt to start some lame assed PFJ conversation.

Maximillian_Jenius · October 23rd, 2006, 23:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMBinHBurg

Hey everyone,
Just curious why everyone hates Gulfstream so much. I feel like I have read some negative comments on them. Is it their pay is to low? It seems like it would be some fun flying down in FL and the islands. Just curious. Thanks

Todd

What do you mean everyone hates Gulfstream? I love Gulfstream their business jets are second to none. The new GV is a work of art in terms of technology,cockpit ergonomics,aircraft range and customer satisfaction!

Toonces · October 23rd, 2006, 23:29

Damn you Seggy. you beat me to it.

meritflyer · October 23rd, 2006, 23:33

Assuming you're not trolling..

Gulfstream undercuts the very thing pilots try to achieve on a daily basis - professionalism, standards, and earning a living.

When someone pays a company for 250 hours to ride along in their airplane and pretend they are a real FO for $30K, its an insult to any professional pilot on the basis that seat should be filled with a paid FO.

When new pilots get airline eager and are killing to wear the uniform, make the announcements, and fly the planes they pay airlines to do such? Now, does that make any sense to you?

Should I pay my employer for the right to wear their logo and attend their sales meetings? Pilots have a hard enough time already trying to maintain the battles with concessions and other cut backs so for someone to pay an airline to fly for them, its a step back for the pilots and a step forward for management.

Besides, its generally not looked at with favorable eyes in an interview.

That kind of experience needs to be built not bought.

kellwolf · October 23rd, 2006, 23:42

If the pay is in the negative (which after you factor in the money paid for the privilege of having the job, it is), it's not helping the industry......

DMBinHBurg · October 23rd, 2006, 23:44

Hey everyone,
I have been doing some searching and I see what you mean by "pay them" to fly for them. Why would anyone do that?

And no worries, I am not trolling. I am new to the site but very eager to learn about the different regionals. I am considering a career change. I just was looking at Gulfstream's website and I would think their routes would be a lot more fun to fly on a daily basis rather than the North East or midwest. Just a thought though.

Todd

meritflyer · October 23rd, 2006, 23:45

You pay them to go through their first officer program which is 250 hours in their BE1900s.

A load of horse dump is what it is.

Seggy · October 23rd, 2006, 23:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMBinHBurg

Hey everyone,
I have been doing some searching and I see what you mean by "pay them" to fly for them. Why would anyone do that?

And no worries, I am not trolling. I am new to the site but very eager to learn about the different regionals. I am considering a career change. I just was looking at Gulfstream's website and I would think their routes would be a lot more fun to fly on a daily basis rather than the North East or midwest. Just a thought though.

Todd

Ask any questions you want! Just understand that it if is a topic that has been discussed be prepared to get the response "search function"

Flying in the Northeast is a blast. A TON more challenging and fun than flying the Goofcrapstream routes. Don't even think about them. They don't deserve your time.

Doug Taylor · October 23rd, 2006, 23:51

Howdy DMBinHburg.

All you've got to do is scroll down to "Hot Topics" and there are several pre-existing threads.

There is so much pre-existing information on how dumbass Gulfstream is that I'll give you a freebie by not seeing it.

The scrollbar is your friend.

Kristie · October 24th, 2006, 02:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMBinHBurg

Hey everyone,
I have been doing some searching and I see what you mean by "pay them" to fly for them. Why would anyone do that?

because like Gulfstream...people are stupid and they somehow think they're getting a deal when all they're doing is undercutting the industry and getting ripped off....it's about as close to a scab as you can get without being a scab! does that make any sense?

there are other "academys" that do that type of thing also (not all but a few others)....that's where the search function will come in handy.. and then you'll learn about all those companies as well....

October 23rd, 2006, 23:25	#1
DMBinHBurg Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 80	What's so bad about Gulfstream Hey everyone, Just curious why everyone hates Gulfstream so much. I feel like I have read some negative comments on them. Is it their pay is to low? It seems like it would be some fun flying down in FL and the islands. Just curious. Thanks Todd

October 23rd, 2006, 23:28	#2
Seggy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,498	Re: What's so bad about Gulfstream Search function is your friend.. With that said, it is called a pay for job program http://www.jetcareers.com/content/view/42/65/ DO NOT GO THERE...simple enough eh?

October 23rd, 2006, 23:28	#3
Toonces Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Smallville Posts: 346	Re: What's so bad about Gulfstream do a search. Plenty of info in ALOT of other threads. I hope this isn't an attempt to start some lame assed PFJ conversation.

October 23rd, 2006, 23:29	#5
Toonces Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Smallville Posts: 346	Re: What's so bad about Gulfstream Damn you Seggy. you beat me to it.

October 23rd, 2006, 23:33	#6
meritflyer Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Winchestertonfieldville Posts: 6,802	Re: What's so bad about Gulfstream Assuming you're not trolling.. Gulfstream undercuts the very thing pilots try to achieve on a daily basis - professionalism, standards, and earning a living. When someone pays a company for 250 hours to ride along in their airplane and pretend they are a real FO for $30K, its an insult to any professional pilot on the basis that seat should be filled with a paid FO. When new pilots get airline eager and are killing to wear the uniform, make the announcements, and fly the planes they pay airlines to do such? Now, does that make any sense to you? Should I pay my employer for the right to wear their logo and attend their sales meetings? Pilots have a hard enough time already trying to maintain the battles with concessions and other cut backs so for someone to pay an airline to fly for them, its a step back for the pilots and a step forward for management. Besides, its generally not looked at with favorable eyes in an interview. That kind of experience needs to be built not bought. __________________ The simplest answer tends to be correct.

October 23rd, 2006, 23:42	#7
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,230	Re: What's so bad about Gulfstream If the pay is in the negative (which after you factor in the money paid for the privilege of having the job, it is), it's not helping the industry...... __________________ "I'm The Doctor, by the way. Run for your life!"

October 23rd, 2006, 23:44	#8
DMBinHBurg Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 80	Re: What's so bad about Gulfstream Hey everyone, I have been doing some searching and I see what you mean by "pay them" to fly for them. Why would anyone do that? And no worries, I am not trolling. I am new to the site but very eager to learn about the different regionals. I am considering a career change. I just was looking at Gulfstream's website and I would think their routes would be a lot more fun to fly on a daily basis rather than the North East or midwest. Just a thought though. Todd

October 23rd, 2006, 23:45	#9
meritflyer Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Winchestertonfieldville Posts: 6,802	Re: What's so bad about Gulfstream You pay them to go through their first officer program which is 250 hours in their BE1900s. A load of horse dump is what it is. __________________ The simplest answer tends to be correct.

October 23rd, 2006, 23:51	#11
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,926 Blog Entries: 1	Re: What's so bad about Gulfstream Howdy DMBinHburg. All you've got to do is scroll down to "Hot Topics" and there are several pre-existing threads. There is so much pre-existing information on how dumbass Gulfstream is that I'll give you a freebie by not seeing it. The scrollbar is your friend. __________________ Doug Taylor http://76school.flyblog.com (old!) http://30west.flyblog.com (updated 11/28)

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