Building xc time for 135

beechpilot84 · October 18th, 2006, 20:49

Was reviewing the part 135 stuff and I'm wondering how the average CFI is supposed to get 500 hrs of XC and all that night by the time they reach 1200 hours. I'm over halfway there on the TT but only have 100 xc and 20 hours at night. I know you can log point to point but still, seems like a lot of XC time. For a private, figure about 5 hours dual xc, plus the 3 hours night. That means for the most part I'll have to train about 80 privates, with the total time for each around 40 to 50 hrs dual. So that means I'll have about 3,200 TT at that rate, haha. I'll get some VFR charters pretty soon but that would still only cut it down by a 3rd or so. Does anyone have any suggestions or things they did to help? Thanks

UND_Flyer · October 18th, 2006, 21:03

The 500 hrs. XC can be airport-to-airport

beechpilot84 · October 18th, 2006, 21:10

Yes I know, but I'm under the impression that if you fly from point A to point B and do touch and go's, that you can only log that portion from which you are navigating each route from A to B and B to A as XC.

mikecweb · October 18th, 2006, 21:10

Do you landing practice at other airports. For checkride prep involve cross country deversions to different airports. Even if the airport is 5 miles away its still counts towards XC time. AS far as night time goes. Try and get your instrument students to fly at night. Easier to do approaches plus gives them night experience as well.

mhcasey · October 18th, 2006, 21:51

Instruct out of controlled airspace. You'll have to go somewhere else to practice maneuvers, and you'll get in a lot more touch n goes if you don't have to deal with the tower/a lot of other traffic.

Instrument students at night. That's what I've been doing (as the student). The time is better for both of you. Put as many numbers in the log book every flight as you can.

mikecweb · October 18th, 2006, 22:03

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Originally Posted by beechpilot84

Yes I know, but I'm under the impression that if you fly from point A to point B and do touch and go's, that you can only log that portion from which you are navigating each route from A to B and B to A as XC.

Naw you can log all of it. On a 50nm xc do you not log the time you are taxing?

Andrew_VT · October 18th, 2006, 22:15

I agree with mikecweb, sorry beechpilot but that sounds like the crap they're feeding my brothers friends at an aviation college (to get them to buy more time).

beechpilot84 · October 18th, 2006, 22:29

I'm talking about, for example, if I fly to an airport 5 miles away and stay in the pattern there for an hour. I cannot log all the time in the pattern as XC. Only the part where I'm flying to or from the other airport, including taxi and all that would be XC, right?

mikecweb · October 18th, 2006, 22:44

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Originally Posted by beechpilot84

I'm talking about, for example, if I fly to an airport 5 miles away and stay in the pattern there for an hour. I cannot log all the time in the pattern as XC. Only the part where I'm flying to or from the other airport, including taxi and all that would be XC, right?

Naw you can log the whole thing as cross country.

wheelsup · October 18th, 2006, 22:57

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Originally Posted by beechpilot84

I'm talking about, for example, if I fly to an airport 5 miles away and stay in the pattern there for an hour. I cannot log all the time in the pattern as XC. Only the part where I'm flying to or from the other airport, including taxi and all that would be XC, right?

I actually came up with a table in the back of my logbook for this. For all the local airports I would log 0.X for xcty time on the recommendation from another, much more senior instructor who told me that's what Airnet wanted (so he said). He pointed to the "technical" definition of xcty time - ie flight by pilotage, DR, nav, etc. etc.

Honestly, I made it waaaaaaaay too complicated. Don't worry about trying to log just the time you were actually going in between. It's not rocket science. You went from A -> B and you flex X.X. Done. Move on

. I stopped doing that nonsense after about a month.

If you were really anal yeah go ahead and do it that way. But pretty much no one is doing it that way, you'd probably get weird looks at your interivews!!

N422NM · October 18th, 2006, 23:14

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Originally Posted by wheelsup

If you were really anal yeah go ahead and do it that way. But pretty much no one is doing it that way, you'd probably get weird looks at your interivews!!

Wait...I sense something here....you got a weird look didn't you !?

Van_Hoolio · October 19th, 2006, 00:28

I've already got 750 hours airport-to-airport time and I'm still more than 300 shy of the 1200. Hopefully in that time I'll get the 22 hours of night I need.

October 18th, 2006, 20:49	#1
beechpilot84 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Yakima, WA Posts: 48	Building xc time for 135 Was reviewing the part 135 stuff and I'm wondering how the average CFI is supposed to get 500 hrs of XC and all that night by the time they reach 1200 hours. I'm over halfway there on the TT but only have 100 xc and 20 hours at night. I know you can log point to point but still, seems like a lot of XC time. For a private, figure about 5 hours dual xc, plus the 3 hours night. That means for the most part I'll have to train about 80 privates, with the total time for each around 40 to 50 hrs dual. So that means I'll have about 3,200 TT at that rate, haha. I'll get some VFR charters pretty soon but that would still only cut it down by a 3rd or so. Does anyone have any suggestions or things they did to help? Thanks

October 18th, 2006, 21:03	#2
UND_Flyer Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: CVG Posts: 990	Re: Building xc time for 135 The 500 hrs. XC can be airport-to-airport __________________ "A mile of highway will take you a mile. A mile of runway will take you anywhere!"

October 18th, 2006, 21:10	#3
beechpilot84 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Yakima, WA Posts: 48	Re: Building xc time for 135 Yes I know, but I'm under the impression that if you fly from point A to point B and do touch and go's, that you can only log that portion from which you are navigating each route from A to B and B to A as XC.

October 18th, 2006, 21:51	#5
mhcasey Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Austin Posts: 477	Re: Building xc time for 135 Instruct out of controlled airspace. You'll have to go somewhere else to practice maneuvers, and you'll get in a lot more touch n goes if you don't have to deal with the tower/a lot of other traffic. Instrument students at night. That's what I've been doing (as the student). The time is better for both of you. Put as many numbers in the log book every flight as you can. __________________ Please help me in the fight against cancer by asking me about the Texas 4000 for Cancer or by visiting our website at http://www.texas4000.org/.

October 18th, 2006, 22:15	#7
Andrew_VT Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Vermont Posts: 616	Re: Building xc time for 135 I agree with mikecweb, sorry beechpilot but that sounds like the crap they're feeding my brothers friends at an aviation college (to get them to buy more time).

October 18th, 2006, 22:29	#8
beechpilot84 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Yakima, WA Posts: 48	Re: Building xc time for 135 I'm talking about, for example, if I fly to an airport 5 miles away and stay in the pattern there for an hour. I cannot log all the time in the pattern as XC. Only the part where I'm flying to or from the other airport, including taxi and all that would be XC, right?

October 19th, 2006, 00:28	#12
Van_Hoolio Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Des Moines, Iowa (based in IAH) Posts: 1,056	Re: Building xc time for 135 I've already got 750 hours airport-to-airport time and I'm still more than 300 shy of the 1200. Hopefully in that time I'll get the 22 hours of night I need.

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