Cirrus to make personal jet

Sprint100 · October 15th, 2006, 12:47

Cirrus says they will make a personal jet, not a VLJ

"Cirrus Design is entering the jet world. The company has sent out 1,500 "gray boxes" to potential customers, outlining details of the jet and asking for $100,000 deposits. No mock-ups or images have been provided as of yet. What Cirrus will say so far is that the airplane will have a single engine, a roomy interior, an emergency parachute system, and a cruise speed of more than 300 knots. It will fly up to Flight Level 250 and cost less than $1 million. "Our intent is not to build a very light jet, our intent is to build a personal jet," said John Bingham, Cirrus vice president of sales. The airplane has been dubbed "the-jet," but Bingham wouldn't say how close it is to the maiden flight, only that they are "very committed" to the project. The jet will be designed to be an easy transition for SR22 pilots, he added. More details, such as the engine manufacturer, are expected to be announced later this month at the National Business Aviation Association (NBAA) convention. Cirrus had also kicked around the idea of building a light sport airplane, but Bingham said that they won't be bringing one to market at this time."

wheelsup · October 15th, 2006, 13:09

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Originally Posted by Sprint100

and cost less than $1 million.

Haven't we heard that before? I can't quite put my finger on it...

eclipse...originally $850k, now at $1.5 mil...

Flysher · October 15th, 2006, 13:39

What sort of experience will the insurance companies require to fly that thing? I hope 100 hour wonders wont be able to get there hands on this thing.

Although if its designed to be an easy transition from an SR22, its got to be stupidly easy to fly I'm guessing?

jtrain609 · October 15th, 2006, 13:42

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Originally Posted by jfleisher

What sort of experience will the insurance companies require to fly that thing? I hope 100 hour wonders wont be able to get there hands on this thing.

Although if its designed to be an easy transition from an SR22, its got to be stupidly easy to fly I'm guessing?

It's not the actual flying of the aircraft that's hard; it's the speeds that it's going to move at. A King Air is MUCH easier to fly than say, a Piper Chieftain or a Cessna 402, but it also moves A LOT faster and requires a different set of skills.

mtsu_av8er · October 15th, 2006, 14:13

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Originally Posted by jtrain609

It's not the actual flying of the aircraft that's hard; it's the speeds that it's going to move at.

That's not particularly true. See, this plane will have GPS AND a parachute!! That'll make it different.

ananoman · October 15th, 2006, 14:26

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Originally Posted by wheelsup

Haven't we heard that before? I can't quite put my finger on it...

eclipse...originally $850k, now at $1.5 mil...

It is a lot cheaper to make a single engine jet that is only certified to FL250, than it is to make a twin jet that can fly in the upper flight levels. It is usually also easier for an existing manufacturer to certify an airplane once they have done it before, than to try to design an aircraft and start a new company all at once. Also don't forget than many of the problems Eclipse had early on was because they chose an engine that just didn't work. When they went with a bigger engine, they had to redesign much of the aircraft. This added time and cost. Cirrus will probably have an easier time, since the engines are already developed, and the avionics (G1000) are proven.

jtrain609 · October 15th, 2006, 14:27

d00d! I forgot about that! GPS is r0x0rs!!!!oneoneone!!!11

wheelsup · October 15th, 2006, 16:17

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Originally Posted by ananoman

It is a lot cheaper to make a single engine jet that is only certified to FL250, than it is to make a twin jet that can fly in the upper flight levels. It is usually also easier for an existing manufacturer to certify an airplane once they have done it before, than to try to design an aircraft and start a new company all at once. Also don't forget than many of the problems Eclipse had early on was because they chose an engine that just didn't work. When they went with a bigger engine, they had to redesign much of the aircraft. This added time and cost. Cirrus will probably have an easier time, since the engines are already developed, and the avionics (G1000) are proven.

I agree - Cirrus will probably be able to pull this off much more effectively than eclipse. However, if history is any sort of indicator for these things...

If there's anyone that can do this, Cirrus is probably the one. I wonder how many seats this "personal" jet will have? I would hope for 6, as 4 seats would really be like 2 people + baggage.

Timbuff10 · October 15th, 2006, 16:34

Kind of bad timing with the thing in NY the other day... Seems like they would have waited a while to announce something like this.

N422NM · October 15th, 2006, 16:35

$100,000 down today will secure your CirrusJet. Plus you get a big pewter coaster that might possibly double as a belt buckle or some bling if attached to a chain.

I've run the insurance numbers on the Eclipse jet and with my insurance carrier, and right now a pilot that gets his type and inital training from Eclipse and meets ATP mins. (with some turbine time ) is going to have to pony up about $46,000 a year for basic personal and hull coverage.

stuckingfk · October 15th, 2006, 16:44

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Originally Posted by Timbuff10

Kind of bad timing with the thing in NY the other day... Seems like they would have waited a while to announce something like this.

It was announced before the crash. I don't think it was the official announcement though, kind of like the Cessna already taking deposits for the CJ4 but it hasn't "officially" been announced.

Official announcements usually occur at annual NBAA convention, which happens to be this week (17th-19th).

Sprint100 · October 15th, 2006, 18:18

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Originally Posted by Timbuff10

Kind of bad timing with the thing in NY the other day... Seems like they would have waited a while to announce something like this.

This was actually printed on Oct. 5th, I was just a little late with the news.

Van_Hoolio · October 15th, 2006, 20:25

So basically this will be in the same class as the Diamond D-Jet.

What Cirrus really ought to make is a 6-place piston. Call it the SR26!

DMBinHBurg · October 15th, 2006, 20:29

They actually announced The-Jet at M4 (Cirrus Migration 4) back in June. The boxes don't have much information but do have directions for making the non-refundable and non escrow 100k deposit. You also get a cirrus coaster in the box!

There should be more info given on Tuesday at NBAA. I haven't gotten my box yet but when I do, I'll let you know more.

T
2004 SR20 owner w/ PFD/MFD

ComplexHiAv8r · October 15th, 2006, 20:32

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Originally Posted by ananoman

.. and the avionics (G1000) are proven.

Cirrus uses the Avidyne system, and they initially said they would remain with this system and a Tri-Screen setup.

ComplexHiAv8r · October 15th, 2006, 20:33

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Originally Posted by DMBinHBurg

You also get a cirrus coaster in the box!

I got my COASTER!!!

Talk about the packaging that came with it!

surreal1221 · October 16th, 2006, 00:12

Yes. . . more weekend warriors out in jets.

DMBinHBurg · October 17th, 2006, 22:12

This is what Cirrus has told everyone so far...

http://www.the-jet.com/

Todd

killbilly · October 18th, 2006, 10:49

Not even an artist's rendering? If I was gonna plunk down a hundred large on a plane, I want to at least know what it might look like.

ComplexHiAv8r · October 18th, 2006, 10:55

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Originally Posted by DMBinHBurg

This is what Cirrus has told everyone so far...

http://www.the-jet.com/

Todd

You get your coaster yet?????

DMBinHBurg · October 18th, 2006, 12:24

No Coaster yet! hahaha I haven't figured out who they decided to give them to and who they didn't. I bought my Cirrus New from the factory so you think I would be on "the list". I know a guy that bought his cirrus used from somebody and got the coaster. Who knows. I saw they announced the the engine yesterday. The Williams engine will have 1900lbs of thrust. That is more than Eclipse's 2 900lbs of thrust. I thought it was going to be a personal jet, not a VLJ?? We'll see what they come up with.

Todd

WestIndian425 · October 18th, 2006, 13:47

Anyone heard of Piper's unveiling of theirs?

http://www.avweb.com/newspics/PiperJet_200x117.jpg

ComplexHiAv8r · October 18th, 2006, 13:49

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Originally Posted by DMBinHBurg

No Coaster yet! hahaha I haven't figured out who they decided to give them to and who they didn't. I bought my Cirrus New from the factory so you think I would be on "the list". I know a guy that bought his cirrus used from somebody and got the coaster. Who knows. I saw they announced the the engine yesterday. The Williams engine will have 1900lbs of thrust. That is more than Eclipse's 2 900lbs of thrust. I thought it was going to be a personal jet, not a VLJ?? We'll see what they come up with.

Todd

I think I got the coaster because ALOT of them learned my name due to issues with the Cirrus I fly. They ended up sending a Cirrus Pilot out to do some final checks on the aircraft and fine tune the autopilot (Cirrus Service Center didnt know how to do it).

So you didnt get the invite for free golf up in Traverse City, MI, or the Bahama weekend either??

ComplexHiAv8r · October 18th, 2006, 13:53

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Originally Posted by WestIndian425

Anyone heard of Piper's unveiling of theirs?

http://www.avweb.com/newspics/PiperJet_200x117.jpg

I thought they were teaming up with HondaJet. I can't really see the plane that good in the pic, got a link for better pics?

WestIndian425 · October 18th, 2006, 14:00

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Originally Posted by ComplexHiAv8r

I thought they were teaming up with HondaJet. I can't really see the plane that good in the pic, got a link for better pics?

Yeah, I know about them teaming up with HondaJet, but I think they still want to develop their own, and possibly use the GEHonda turbine engine. That's the only pic I saw on the web so far, and Piper doesn't have a shot of it on it's website yet. This was unveiled recently at the NBAA show. Here's the link at Avweb. (You'll have to scroll down)

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive.../729-full.html

October 15th, 2006, 12:47	#1
Sprint100 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Santa Clarita, CA Posts: 6,152	Cirrus to make personal jet Cirrus says they will make a personal jet, not a VLJ "Cirrus Design is entering the jet world. The company has sent out 1,500 "gray boxes" to potential customers, outlining details of the jet and asking for $100,000 deposits. No mock-ups or images have been provided as of yet. What Cirrus will say so far is that the airplane will have a single engine, a roomy interior, an emergency parachute system, and a cruise speed of more than 300 knots. It will fly up to Flight Level 250 and cost less than $1 million. "Our intent is not to build a very light jet, our intent is to build a personal jet," said John Bingham, Cirrus vice president of sales. The airplane has been dubbed "the-jet," but Bingham wouldn't say how close it is to the maiden flight, only that they are "very committed" to the project. The jet will be designed to be an easy transition for SR22 pilots, he added. More details, such as the engine manufacturer, are expected to be announced later this month at the National Business Aviation Association (NBAA) convention. Cirrus had also kicked around the idea of building a light sport airplane, but Bingham said that they won't be bringing one to market at this time." __________________ Excellence is not a single act, but a habit. "I have learned over the years that when one's mind is made up, that diminshes fear" - Rosa Parks

October 15th, 2006, 13:39	#3
Flysher Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: LCK Posts: 448	Re: Cirrus to make personal jet What sort of experience will the insurance companies require to fly that thing? I hope 100 hour wonders wont be able to get there hands on this thing. Although if its designed to be an easy transition from an SR22, its got to be stupidly easy to fly I'm guessing?

October 15th, 2006, 14:27	#7
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,374	Re: Cirrus to make personal jet d00d! I forgot about that! GPS is r0x0rs!!!!oneoneone!!!11

October 15th, 2006, 16:34	#9
Timbuff10 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Coloradan in Orange County, CA Posts: 3,235	Re: Cirrus to make personal jet Kind of bad timing with the thing in NY the other day... Seems like they would have waited a while to announce something like this. __________________ My Photography My Airliners.net photos

October 15th, 2006, 16:35	#10
N422NM Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: 36-44-28.5000N / 108-13-47.8000W Posts: 521	Re: Cirrus to make personal jet $100,000 down today will secure your CirrusJet. Plus you get a big pewter coaster that might possibly double as a belt buckle or some bling if attached to a chain. I've run the insurance numbers on the Eclipse jet and with my insurance carrier, and right now a pilot that gets his type and inital training from Eclipse and meets ATP mins. (with some turbine time ) is going to have to pony up about $46,000 a year for basic personal and hull coverage.

October 15th, 2006, 20:25	#13
Van_Hoolio Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Des Moines, Iowa (based in IAH) Posts: 1,077	Re: Cirrus to make personal jet So basically this will be in the same class as the Diamond D-Jet. What Cirrus really ought to make is a 6-place piston. Call it the SR26!

October 15th, 2006, 20:29	#14
DMBinHBurg Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 80	Re: Cirrus to make personal jet They actually announced The-Jet at M4 (Cirrus Migration 4) back in June. The boxes don't have much information but do have directions for making the non-refundable and non escrow 100k deposit. You also get a cirrus coaster in the box! There should be more info given on Tuesday at NBAA. I haven't gotten my box yet but when I do, I'll let you know more. T 2004 SR20 owner w/ PFD/MFD

October 16th, 2006, 00:12	#17
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 9,862	Re: Cirrus to make personal jet Yes. . . more weekend warriors out in jets. __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \| The TRoP \| Rmble On \| ALPA \| IVAW \| ACLU \|

October 17th, 2006, 22:12	#18
DMBinHBurg Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 80	Re: Cirrus to make personal jet This is what Cirrus has told everyone so far... http://www.the-jet.com/ Todd

October 18th, 2006, 10:49	#19
killbilly Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,174	Re: Cirrus to make personal jet Not even an artist's rendering? If I was gonna plunk down a hundred large on a plane, I want to at least know what it might look like.

October 18th, 2006, 12:24	#21
DMBinHBurg Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 80	Re: Cirrus to make personal jet No Coaster yet! hahaha I haven't figured out who they decided to give them to and who they didn't. I bought my Cirrus New from the factory so you think I would be on "the list". I know a guy that bought his cirrus used from somebody and got the coaster. Who knows. I saw they announced the the engine yesterday. The Williams engine will have 1900lbs of thrust. That is more than Eclipse's 2 900lbs of thrust. I thought it was going to be a personal jet, not a VLJ?? We'll see what they come up with. Todd

October 18th, 2006, 13:47	#22
WestIndian425 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: KEWR (by way of Brooklyn, NY) Posts: 955	Re: Cirrus to make personal jet Anyone heard of Piper's unveiling of theirs? http://www.avweb.com/newspics/PiperJet_200x117.jpg __________________ God did not create aircraft pilots to be on the ground.

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