Amercan Airlines to Start Recalling Pilots...

ready2fly · October 13th, 2006, 22:03

...in January!!!

According to our intra-company e-mail, the recalls will begin in January and will average "about 10 per month".

(zmiller - there's the "big announcement" we've been talking about

).

As always, I'll believe it when I see it.

R2F

E_Dawg · October 13th, 2006, 22:08

Finally! How many total?

ready2fly · October 13th, 2006, 22:16

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Originally Posted by E_Dawg

Finally! How many total?

I don't know the exact total, but I've been told that there are over 400 flowbacks at Eagle right now. Figure that about 1 in 4 to 6 will decline, so the total going back will change.

Hell, I just want to hold a line!!!

MQAAord · October 13th, 2006, 22:17

In best Monty Python voice, while waving a little flag: "yay".

ready2fly · October 13th, 2006, 22:21

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Originally Posted by MQAAord

In best Monty Python voice, while waving a little flag: "yay".

Wish I had good news for you Amber. Sorry buddy.

MQAAord · October 13th, 2006, 22:26

Good news for me? The DL guys are getting their 50% paycuts back?! Sweet!

Seriously, I couldn't accept recall now if a letter arrived tomorrow! There's no way. I haven't applied to United, Continental and all the others out there that are hiring because I know at this time there's no way I could go back to flying full time. My career is over. I've accepted that. What's in my future? Who knows, I'll find out when I get there

wheelsup · October 13th, 2006, 22:28

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Originally Posted by ready2fly

I don't know the exact total, but I've been told that there are over 400 flowbacks at Eagle right now. Figure that about 1 in 4 to 6 will decline, so the total going back will change.

I don't follow; AA still needs what, 10 pilots per month, right? Even if 1 in 4-6 flowbacks decline, they will keep calling more until they have enough. Or is my logic flawed?

I could see this being a problem after they call EVERY flowback at eagle, but it seems like this might take a while? 400/10 = 3+ years.

I suppose what would make a difference is that there are more fuloughed guys and gals on the street vs. at eagle. They can be recalling 10 pilots a month but if none of them are at eagle it's a moot point. It looks like a good time to be going to eagle, at least there will be some movement in the upper ranks!!

ready2fly · October 13th, 2006, 22:36

Wheelsup: The 10 per month (approximate) is what was mentioned in the e-mail. I'm sure it'll be more. I've heard some flowbacks say the recall classes are already configured to hold up to 40+ pilots.

Frankly, I don't know how it works, nor do I really care.

All I know is that the flowbacks have been here for 5 years blocking any hopes of upgrade for anyone. Period. This presents the opportunity for some (hopefully most) of them to go back.

Like I said - All I want to do is hold a line. So, if 10 guys leave by March, I'm golden.

crashmbern · October 13th, 2006, 22:40

well 400 flowbacks aren't the 400 most senior furloughed from AA. So we won't be losing 10 flowbacks per month. I hope Eagle or whoever, will force the flowbacks to go to AA as soon as they can. The flowbacks have caused a lot of people what should be there upgrades. Eagle gave them a place to work for 5+ years so i hope they go back to AA. there a couple of problems that are going have to be worked out:

flowbacks wanting to stay at eagle. some guys are close to retirement why would they want to go to AA for a few months/years.

will AA honor the flowthroughs. probably not.

and with eagle so short staffed, how are they going to attract new hires.

and stan did you see the vacancy announcement. NO CAPTAIN UPGRADES. they announce AA is recalling and yet no captain upgrades.

LETS GO METS

Adam

crashmbern · October 13th, 2006, 22:42

also someone mentioned on eaglelounge, that maybe the reason for only announcing 10/month is that the flowbacks don't get the idea hey lets quit eagle so i can have christmas and new years off and then go to AA, being if AA announced they were recalling 40 or 50 per month. makes sense will just have to see.

zmiller4 · October 13th, 2006, 23:59

Congratulations, guys! I was thinking that would be coming soon. I hope it gets the flowbacks out pretty quickly and has a rapid effect on your QOL.

CaptainChris87 · October 14th, 2006, 00:00

Good to hear!

falconvalley · October 14th, 2006, 01:14

I couldn't see why any of the flow backs would decline a recall, even if they thought it was temporary. Isn't that a good thing? Someone who didn't flow back and is on the street or somewhere else, they I can see declining.

I wonder if call backs will bottleneck training at Eagle or is 10 per month training related?

falconvalley · October 14th, 2006, 01:17

Nevermind I didn't think there would be flow backs close to retirement

mtsu_av8er · October 14th, 2006, 01:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by MQAAord

Good news for me? The DL guys are getting their 50% paycuts back?! Sweet! . . . My career is over. I've accepted that. What's in my future? Who knows, I'll find out when I get there

Well, there's good news there for some of us - not everybody hates the industry.

Some of us are even happy!

MQAAord · October 14th, 2006, 08:42

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Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Well, there's good news there for some of us - not everybody hates the industry.

Some of us are even happy!

Llyod, what's your beef with me? Stan made mention of wishing he had good news for me, referring to the recall of AA F/As. I replied with a tounge in cheek remark about good news for me would be getting the % of paycuts the DL pilots have taken returned. To state that we've lost 1/2 our income, and lost our house is not being bitter or "hating the industry", it's stating two FACTS of what has happened. What has happened is what has happened, now we move on and move towards the future with the new payrate in our new house! I know there will be no recall for me, and I have accepted that! That is not hating the industry, or not "being happy". This industry has thrown some wicked curve balls at me, and I've dealt with them as best I can. I think I've done pretty well overall.

As for the future, like I said who knows what it will bring for me. I've considered Riddle's distance degree program in aviation management, and getting into the managment side of GA. Maybe running an aiport someday. We'll see.

BobDDuck · October 14th, 2006, 09:19

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Originally Posted by falconvalley

I couldn't see why any of the flow backs would decline a recall, even if they thought it was temporary. Isn't that a good thing?

Flowbacks/J4Js etc are strange animals. I'm not sure how the Eagle contract is worded but the one we have with JJs states only that they may turn down recall/flowup as long as somebody junior to them is still on furlough. Also, they can turn down the right seat of the 190 forever. The problem here is that their quality of life is about the same whether they are sitting reserve on the CRJ in Charlotte or the 319 in LGA. Also, here they are a captain. Also, if they go back to the left seat of the 190 they actually will still make about the same here in the RJ AND probably won't be sitting reserve as they have slotted bidding. It really sucks for us here but so far of the 5 that have been recalled none have taken it.

ChrisH · October 14th, 2006, 12:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by MQAAord

Llyod, what's your beef with me? Stan made mention of wishing he had good news for me, referring to the recall of AA F/As. I replied with a tounge in cheek remark about good news for me would be getting the % of paycuts the DL pilots have taken returned. To state that we've lost 1/2 our income, and lost our house is not being bitter or "hating the industry", it's stating two FACTS of what has happened. What has happened is what has happened, now we move on and move towards the future with the new payrate in our new house! I know there will be no recall for me, and I have accepted that! That is not hating the industry, or not "being happy". This industry has thrown some wicked curve balls at me, and I've dealt with them as best I can. I think I've done pretty well overall.

As for the future, like I said who knows what it will bring for me. I've considered Riddle's distance degree program in aviation management, and getting into the managment side of GA. Maybe running an aiport someday. We'll see.

Are you a pilot, or flight attendant? I am confused. Also, are Delta pilots really getting their paycut back? I heard they were getting raises in January.

MQAAord · October 14th, 2006, 12:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisH

Are you a pilot, or flight attendant? I am confused. Also, are Delta pilots really getting their paycut back? I heard they were getting raises in January.

I was employed as a F/A, though I do have a PPL. No, DL pilots aren't getting their payrates reinstated. IT WAS SARCASM.

mtsu_av8er · October 14th, 2006, 16:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by MQAAord

Llyod, what's your beef with me?

Don't take anything I say as me having beef, Amber - no beef at all!

MQAAord · October 14th, 2006, 17:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Don't take anything I say as me having beef, Amber - no beef at all!

Good. Cause I prefer pork anyway.

SteveC · October 14th, 2006, 17:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by MQAAord

Good. Cause I prefer pork anyway.

The "other" white meat?

Anybody else catch a racist undertone???

j/k

jdflight · October 14th, 2006, 17:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by MQAAord

Good. Cause I prefer pork anyway.

Didn't you see his other post? He's eatin' nasty ass corn dogs and sausages! No beef!

mtsu_av8er · October 14th, 2006, 17:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveC

The "other" white meat?

Anybody else catch a racist undertone???

j/k

Now the truth - Amebr doesn't like me because I'm black . . .

SteveC · October 14th, 2006, 17:42

You're black too????

For the first time in my life I might just be in a minority!!! Cool!!!

October 13th, 2006, 22:08	#2
E_Dawg Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: chicago Posts: 4,147	Re: Amercan Airlines to Start Recalling Pilots... Finally! How many total? __________________ Yeah, I just stare at my desk; but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch, too. I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work.

October 13th, 2006, 22:17	#4
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October 13th, 2006, 22:26	#6
MQAAord Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Looney Bin Posts: 8,813	Re: Amercan Airlines to Start Recalling Pilots... Good news for me? The DL guys are getting their 50% paycuts back?! Sweet! Seriously, I couldn't accept recall now if a letter arrived tomorrow! There's no way. I haven't applied to United, Continental and all the others out there that are hiring because I know at this time there's no way I could go back to flying full time. My career is over. I've accepted that. What's in my future? Who knows, I'll find out when I get there __________________ PPL SEL 100-ish hours TT Former American Airlines F/A (12 months) Former Simmons/Eagle F/A (6 years) Former Eagle ground school instructor (1 year) Former Eagle IOE instructor (3 years)

October 13th, 2006, 22:40	#9
crashmbern Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 505	Re: Amercan Airlines to Start Recalling Pilots... well 400 flowbacks aren't the 400 most senior furloughed from AA. So we won't be losing 10 flowbacks per month. I hope Eagle or whoever, will force the flowbacks to go to AA as soon as they can. The flowbacks have caused a lot of people what should be there upgrades. Eagle gave them a place to work for 5+ years so i hope they go back to AA. there a couple of problems that are going have to be worked out: flowbacks wanting to stay at eagle. some guys are close to retirement why would they want to go to AA for a few months/years. will AA honor the flowthroughs. probably not. and with eagle so short staffed, how are they going to attract new hires. and stan did you see the vacancy announcement. NO CAPTAIN UPGRADES. they announce AA is recalling and yet no captain upgrades. LETS GO METS Adam

October 13th, 2006, 22:42	#10
crashmbern Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 505	Re: Amercan Airlines to Start Recalling Pilots... also someone mentioned on eaglelounge, that maybe the reason for only announcing 10/month is that the flowbacks don't get the idea hey lets quit eagle so i can have christmas and new years off and then go to AA, being if AA announced they were recalling 40 or 50 per month. makes sense will just have to see.

October 13th, 2006, 23:59	#11
zmiller4 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,235	Re: Amercan Airlines to Start Recalling Pilots... Congratulations, guys! I was thinking that would be coming soon. I hope it gets the flowbacks out pretty quickly and has a rapid effect on your QOL.

October 14th, 2006, 00:00	#12
CaptainChris87 Old Skool Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,754	Re: Amercan Airlines to Start Recalling Pilots... Good to hear! __________________ -CP/MEL-IR;AGI -Former Airline Intern/Sightseeing tours pilot -A.A.: Transfer studies, admission to UC Santa Barbara and Cal state -Business Administration:Finance Major C/O Fall 2009

October 14th, 2006, 01:14	#13
falconvalley Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: KMKE Posts: 1,924	Re: Amercan Airlines to Start Recalling Pilots... I couldn't see why any of the flow backs would decline a recall, even if they thought it was temporary. Isn't that a good thing? Someone who didn't flow back and is on the street or somewhere else, they I can see declining. I wonder if call backs will bottleneck training at Eagle or is 10 per month training related? __________________ British Airways flight asks for push back clearance from terminal. Control Tower replies: "And where is the world's most experienced airline going today without filing a flight plan?"

October 14th, 2006, 01:17	#14
falconvalley Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: KMKE Posts: 1,924	Re: Amercan Airlines to Start Recalling Pilots... Nevermind I didn't think there would be flow backs close to retirement __________________ British Airways flight asks for push back clearance from terminal. Control Tower replies: "And where is the world's most experienced airline going today without filing a flight plan?"

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SteveC Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR Posts: 8,362	Re: Amercan Airlines to Start Recalling Pilots... You're black too???? For the first time in my life I might just be in a minority!!! Cool!!! __________________ . Life is painful. Suffering is optional.

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