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Old October 11th, 2006, 15:03   #1
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Live on Fox News right now. Looks fairly small... E 72nd street.
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Old October 11th, 2006, 15:04   #2
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Fox is reporting it as a helicopter....
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It was the North Koreans
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Time to elevate the terrorism threat color to Metallic Burnt Sienna!!!
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Time to elevate the terrorism threat color to Metallic Burnt Sienna!!!
It's funny because people probably died!!!111
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It's funny because people probably died!!!111
Those darn Cessnas!
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Perhaps weather related?? Visibility looks horrible.

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KJFK 111851Z 07011G19KT 8SM OVC015 18/13 A2988 RMK AO2 SLP118 T01780133
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Wow, it's really burning. Kudos to the fire/rescue and police that have to make their way up there. God speed fellas (and ladies).
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Just waiting for the speculation machine to rev up (if it's not already) from the media...
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Hopefully this turns out for the best. Sad news. Everyone be safe
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hello TFRs everywhere....
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FAA is saying fixed wing under VFR with no ATC contact.
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weather and vis is pretty crappy here. He/She may have been lost

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The video I'm watching shows what looks like a burn streak on the side of the building going down from where the fire is. What would explain that? Does that seem weird to anyone else? Could the a/c possibly have bounced off the outside and slid down the side?
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Sad news to hear. Schumer will have a field day with this. VFR corridor is now on life support.
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hello TFRs everywhere....
That's my worry. The public already is fearful of GA aircrafts, and before you know it the security information will not only prohibit flight over stadiums with a capacity of x amount of people, but also buildings with 10 or more occupants per story, open recreation areas...Still, very sad news and not the best wx. Guess we'll have to wait and see what type of aircraft it was and what he or she was doing. Just hoping the media dosen't take it to the extreme.
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Ahhhhhhhghh!
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NORADS Scrambles fighter jets.......... Amazing that our world has come to this. By the way great pic of Chicken little
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Perhaps weather related?? Visibility looks horrible.

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Yeah, 8 miles to see a building...

It looks like he/she was at the end of the VFR cutout, and making the turn back south. No need to be in contact with ATC at that point as long as you are below 1100' or 500', I forget. There's a cutout that goes up the east river up to the north tip of FDR Island.
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I'm sure Miles O'Brien will have something insightful to say.
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Old October 11th, 2006, 16:03   #22
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They confirmed it was a fixed wing aircraft not a helecopter
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The guy on MSNBC right now is trying to answer questions about the VFR chute and is totally making up answers as he goes...it's almost comical.
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Old October 11th, 2006, 16:09   #24
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Yeah, he said it was flying in class B. I guess he thinks class B goes from the sfc to space everywhere.
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Old October 11th, 2006, 16:13   #25
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I tow a banner around Manhattan 4 days a week at 1000ft. I didn't go today b/c ceilings @ linden were ~11-1200ft. Metar was reporting 1500 at Newark. Vis was around 5 mi over linden when I took off at 1300.

There are a few fixed wing sight seeing tours on the Hudson every day, but I have *never* seen one on the east river. Helo's everywhere, but apparently this isn't one of them. The only fixed wings on the east river are me, and a handful of amphibs who come in and out 2x a day.

My guess is that a tour, or a weekend warrior, decided to take it up the east river. They either botched the 180 over rosevelte island (maybe a left hand turn northbound to southbound with the 15kt east wind today), or they had engine trouble and tried to take it west to central park, hitting the building enroute. You have a 'box canyon' of sorts with laguardia's airspace up there. I make 180's there all the time though towing a 50'x100' banner, so I don't see how this would really be the reason.

I have a feeling this is going to screw up my current job. My livelyhood depends on the exclusion.
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