Aircraft crashes into building in NYC

[GatorFC]

Sports Illustrated jumping on the inaccurate aviation information bandwagon. Read the caption under the picture in this article.

Also, maybe a poor choice of words (I'm sure unintentional) by "aviation expert"/journalist, Robert Hager in the last paragraph of the article.

[JBrice79]

Here's the USA Today editorial...funny how almost all the responses point out how stupid the guy is. Gives me some hope that people don't always swallow what the media spoon feeds them.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2006/...t_11.html#more

[MFT1Air]

Originally Posted by JEP

quote from AP article...



Is this the thought process that has been a contributing cause to some of the Cirrus accidents. I think it really over simplifies the complex systems of the planes....

I believe, when trying to pacify an ignorant public, simplicity is best. When I decide to purchase an airplane, to maximize the "perception" of safe, what should one do?

1. Single engine aircraft? Naw, one engine could never be safe. . .unless perhaps if that one engine is a jet.

2. Multi-engine vice single engine? Well, how many? 2/3/4? What truly safe? (As a sit and ponder the tens of thousands of twins having flown safely throughout decades!)

3. Well, in talking to "non-pilot/layperson" types, their perception of safe in a single engine GA plane would be a parachute. . .and technically, it is. . .as a very last resort when all flying skills/prowess prove ineffective/uncapable of safely "piloting" an aircraft to a safe landing. I used the same reason for having a parachute in an airplane as a do aerobatic and military fighter aircraft. . .utilize it when all else fails.

[tonyw]

Originally Posted by Red5xwingdriver

Cosidering that the 2 people perished, you still find time to make fun of our franchise.

Uh...the only thing that the plane crash had to do with the Yankees is that Lidle used to pitch for the Yanks. He wasn't going to be in pinstripes in 2007 and you know it.

Come on, man. You're a Yanks fan. You should be used to getting ribbed.

Hell, man, the Yanks almost fired a man who has won four World Series for them and you don't expect to get some grief about their relative lack of return on investment?

[socalef9]

anyone know what kind of plane it was? ntsb said it was 3 bladed and engine was running durring the crash?

[aloft]

Much like the crash that claimed the life of John F. Kennedy Jr., his wife and a friend in 1999, there are signs that this may be a case of a relatively inexperienced pilot who ran into trouble in a high-performance plane that he had not yet mastered fully.

Nevermind that there was a flight instructor aboard. Idiots.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...545317,00.html

[ComplexHiAv8r]

Originally Posted by socalef9

anyone know what kind of plane it was? ntsb said it was 3 bladed and engine was running durring the crash?

While already stated above in thread, Cirrus SR20. You can get them with either a 2 or 3 blade prop.

[AngelFuree]

Originally Posted by GatorFC

Sports Illustrated jumping on the inaccurate aviation information bandwagon. Read the caption under the picture in this article.

Also, maybe a poor choice of words (I'm sure unintentional) by "aviation expert"/journalist, Robert Hager in the last paragraph of the article.

OMG Hilarious. Yeah that really looks like an SR-20!
It's funny how if that photo would have been of a car, they probably would've gotten it right. I don't know why is it always with aviation that people get everything wrong. Doing research for aviation is no different than doing research for any topic. Especially if you're a news source, I would expect you to have your info correct. Geeeez....

[Red5xwingdriver]

Originally Posted by tonyw

Uh...the only thing that the plane crash had to do with the Yankees is that Lidle used to pitch for the Yanks. He wasn't going to be in pinstripes in 2007 and you know it.

Come on, man. You're a Yanks fan. You should be used to getting ribbed.

Hell, man, the Yanks almost fired a man who has won four World Series for them and you don't expect to get some grief about their relative lack of return on investment?

Ribbing is a healthy part of life, we should ALL get it occasionally . The last 4 or so World Series proved that money doesn't always get it...I believe it just gets it EVENTUALLY. It obviously can't buy drive, determination, emotion, chemistry, intagibles, etc. I vote for getting in a time machine, going back 6 years and kidnapping O'Neil, Brosius, Clemens, Pettite, Rivera etc..etc...and letting them play from next year on .

Anyhow, RIP Mr. Lidle and Mr. Stanger. I wish that, just like when someone important in baseball dies the players wear a black band or something similar, when we lose one of our own colleagues, there should be something tasteful that us instructors(and other aviators) could wear. I don't know what, but I'm thinking about it.

If the NTSB and FAA deem that decisionmaking appears to be the most probably cause of this tragedy, then it shows us all that we must maintain vigilance and guard against bad decisions no matter how many hours of flight time we have. If I'm not mistaken, Mr. Crossfield lost his life possibly due to a bad decision...as it's been said, SUPERIOR pilots use their SUPERIOR judgement, to keep from having to use their SUPERIOR skills. NONE of us are immune from death, and we all need to drive that point home to our students, and mostly, OURSELVES.

[darrenf]

And so it begins....

http://www.nj.com/newsflash/jersey/i...torylist=lidle

The FAA is reviewing the rules for GA aircraft around Manhattan. I sure hope they listen to the Mayor himself, he is the only one who seems to understand the situation. And Pataki, man is he ticking me off. I have personally flown that man in GA aircraft through that very same Airspace. He should no longer be welcomed on any GA plane out there!!!

[Seggy]

When I was flight instructing I was able to turn a lot of people on to flying by taking them up the Hudson River corrider, transition over Central Park down the East River and back up. To ban this would be devestating for the flying in the area.

[darrenf]

Where do they find these people??

http://www.nydailynews.com//front/st...p-388341c.html

97 Knots is "damn close" to the stalling speed???? What an idiot!

More like damn close to DOUBLE the stall speed of 54 Knots.

[cessnajockey454]

Isn't the stall speed level with flaps 54? What's the stall speed clean in a 45 degree bank at gross?

[JEP]

Originally Posted by Seggy

When I was flight instructing I was able to turn a lot of people on to flying by taking them up the Hudson River corrider, transition over Central Park down the East River and back up. To ban this would be devestating for the flying in the area.

No ban, but you will now need a sqwauk code......

Fixed-wing planes have been banned from the East River corridor in New York unless the pilot is in contact with air traffic control, the Federal Aviation Administration said Friday.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TRAVEL/10/13....ap/index.html

Now I am not sure what a code would have done to help this.

[jtrain609]

Originally Posted by JEP

No ban, but you will now need a sqwauk code......



http://www.cnn.com/2006/TRAVEL/10/13....ap/index.html

Now I am not sure what a code would have done to help this.

It won't help things, but hopefully it'll keep it open while placating the idiots down in Albany.

[Chris_Ford]

Originally Posted by darrenf

Where do they find these people??

http://www.nydailynews.com//front/st...p-388341c.html

97 Knots is "damn close" to the stalling speed???? What an idiot!

More like damn close to DOUBLE the stall speed of 54 Knots.

You ever do accelerated stalls? At the bank angles witnesses are reporting, 97 kts would be damn close to stalling speed.

The guy is a former NTSB member, I doubt he's "an idiot" and as uninformed as you're projecting he is

[mikecweb]

Originally Posted by Red5xwingdriver

....I wish that, just like when someone important in baseball dies the players wear a black band or something similar, when we lose one of our own colleagues, there should be something tasteful that us instructors(and other aviators) could wear. I don't know what, but I'm thinking about it.....

For everyone? Or just the famous ones?

[darrenf]

Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

You ever do accelerated stalls? At the bank angles witnesses are reporting, 97 kts would be damn close to stalling speed.

The guy is a former NTSB member, I doubt he's "an idiot" and as uninformed as you're projecting he is

Yeah, I guess if you are playing Patty Wagstaff, they could have been close to stall. Maybe in my haste to bash the news I didn't think that through enough.

But, when it comes to the Government officials that the press find for quotes, yes, they seem to find the idiots. And former NTSB member doesn't really mean anything to me in terms of credentials. Does the name Jim Hall ring a bell??

[Chris_Ford]

Originally Posted by darrenf

Yeah, I guess if you are playing Patty Wagstaff, they could have been close to stall. Maybe in my haste to bash the news I didn't think that through enough.

45 degrees of bank (hardly Patty Wagstaff) will raise the stall speed considerably higher. Try it next time you're with an instructor and play with different amounts of bank.

[AngelFuree]

Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

45 degrees of bank (hardly Patty Wagstaff) will raise the stall speed considerably higher. Try it next time you're with an instructor and play with different amounts of bank.

I agree. The stall speed DOES go up considerably such that what was quoted in that article could definitely be true and very likely if the plane was indeed in a steep turn.

[Wild_Weasel]

Wow, I just realized that the instructor onboard the plane was someone I took a few lessons from when I was first starting to fly. I didn't know him that well or anything, but, it's really odd to be connected to such a major story.

[Red5xwingdriver]

Originally Posted by mikecweb

For everyone? Or just the famous ones?

This would be for EVERYONE. There are, I believe, over 600,000 certificated pilots here in the U.S., and we ALL would deserve something like that. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. Also, the idea would be to enhance safety to a degree (without silly regulations or restrictions) that we would hardly need to have to wear something memorializing the sudden death of a colleague or brother/sister aviator, no matter how famous or not they are. Be Kool brother .