flight time

avdrummerboy · October 9th, 2006, 17:34

I was wondering...

I have a friend who has his private certificate and I only have 10 Hrs. and a student liscense. If I go up right seat with him and practice manuvers (sp.?) and emergency procedures with him can I log any time for it? SIC (Second In Command) anything?

PK
KD7WNJ

Ian J · October 9th, 2006, 17:37

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Originally Posted by avdrummerboy

I was wondering...

I have a friend who has his private certificate and I only have 10 Hrs. and a student liscense. If I go up right seat with him and practice manuvers (sp.?) and emergency procedures with him can I log any time for it? SIC (Second In Command) anything?

PK
KD7WNJ

In short, no. As a student pilot you can only log time with a CFI. And since you are a student pilot, I challenge you to look up the appropriate references in the FAR.

casey · October 9th, 2006, 17:40

no

Lee D · October 9th, 2006, 18:25

SIC is more of a thing you will do in aircraft that are certified for two pilots. Such as when you are a first officer for an airline or cargo outfit.
Like the others said, you can't log that time. Not that a little extra stick time would hurt you though.

As a student pilot you will need to be with an instructor or endorsed by one to fly solo in order to log the time.

Just off the top of my head I don't think you can even log safety pilot time unless you are at least a private pilot.

avdrummerboy · October 9th, 2006, 20:49

Thats what I figured; However as Lee D said the extra practice wouldn't hurt.

As for solo I only need one more "supervised" solo and I will have full non-crosswind privilages.

meritflyer · October 9th, 2006, 21:35

Be careful. 10 hours isnt enough to deal with moderate crosswinds.

Ian J · October 10th, 2006, 11:41

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Originally Posted by meritflyer

Be careful. 10 hours isnt enough to deal with moderate crosswinds.

Wouldn't that depend on the student and his/her abilities? Suppose they're a super stud?

avdrummerboy · October 10th, 2006, 12:38

If I could land in 11 Kt. tailwinds doesn't that mean anything?

gomntwins · October 10th, 2006, 12:52

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Originally Posted by avdrummerboy

If I could land in 11 Kt. tailwinds doesn't that mean anything?

i hope you're joking.

Lee D · October 10th, 2006, 12:58

Landing with a tail wind isnt really a difficult thing, heck, you can "land" in a 20 knot tail wind if you feel so inclined . . . . . if there is any runway left under your wheels when you finally come to a complete stop is another thing entirely.

avdrummerboy · October 10th, 2006, 13:04

Actually no!!!
At KAPV we have RYS 18/36 and 8/26. Last Saturday when I went up the wind was from 080 at 10 so any RWY would probably be okay. Then it switched to 360@11 and we were landing on the calm wind RWY 18! No one got the point to switch. So yeah its true I was landing in 11 KT. tailwinds. Not to mention the wind sheat and thermals around the pattern and especially on final.

Boy you sure learn the point of a stabilized approach with a tailwind. I finally got the hang of it after about the fifth touch-and-go. Fortunantly RWY 18 is 6200 Ft. long so I had plenty of landing room with the overshooting and all from the wind.

MidlifeFlyer · October 10th, 2006, 14:08

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Originally Posted by ChinookDriver

Wouldn't that depend on the student and his/her abilities? Suppose they're a super stud?

... ortraining where crosswinds are the rule. (The AOPA Pilot article a few years ago on Maui as having the most crosswindy airport comes to mind). If you are almost always landing in a significant crosswind from day 1, it's probably no big deal.

avdrummerboy · October 10th, 2006, 14:11

Up here at APV the wind never stops and is almost always off the RWY heading.

gomntwins · October 10th, 2006, 16:33

sorry, should've elaborated. 11 knot tailwind ain't nothin'... just don't think that'll necessarily help you with a hefty crosswind. maybe you can land with a strong crosswind, but I'd really think twice about going up solo if it's bad.

OldTownPilot · October 10th, 2006, 18:36

BGR's runway was 11441'x300', talk about a sheet of pavement. Its now x200' but it is still paved 300' wide.

Earlier today I went to a practice field that was 2400'x50' with a 300' displaced threshold for trees on the approach end. Talk about night and day.

I would agree that if the runway is long enough, and taiwind is not a big deal for a newer pilot. Crosswinds take a bit more time to get the kinks out of that skill.

meritflyer · October 12th, 2006, 16:24

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Originally Posted by ChinookDriver

Wouldn't that depend on the student and his/her abilities? Suppose they're a super stud?

.. in that case, crosswind away!!

Mahesh · October 12th, 2006, 16:30

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Originally Posted by Lee D

Landing with a tail wind isnt really a difficult thing, heck, you can "land" in a 20 knot tail wind if you feel so inclined . . . . . if there is any runway left under your wheels when you finally come to a complete stop is another thing entirely.

Actually during my PPL check ride, I ended up having to do my final soft-field landing with a tail wind. There was a lot of traffic at FDK (difficult to try a runway change) and so we decided that the runway was long enough and it was safe. I used up most of the runway in the 172. But I was taking that risk as a PIC after evaluating the situation so I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, especially student pilots.

Ian J · October 12th, 2006, 18:03

From flying helicopters I am very adverse to landing in a tailwind. Whereas in an airplane you just might need lots of runway, in a helicopter you might need "out of ground effect" hover power, and if you don't have OGE hover power that day, you crash.

surreal1221 · October 12th, 2006, 19:21

i like this question. . . makes me laugh a little bit after a long day at work.

October 9th, 2006, 17:34	#1
avdrummerboy Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 31	flight time I was wondering... I have a friend who has his private certificate and I only have 10 Hrs. and a student liscense. If I go up right seat with him and practice manuvers (sp.?) and emergency procedures with him can I log any time for it? SIC (Second In Command) anything? PK KD7WNJ

October 9th, 2006, 17:40	#3
casey Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: abe Posts: 881	Re: flight time no

October 9th, 2006, 18:25	#4
Lee D Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 651	Re: flight time SIC is more of a thing you will do in aircraft that are certified for two pilots. Such as when you are a first officer for an airline or cargo outfit. Like the others said, you can't log that time. Not that a little extra stick time would hurt you though. As a student pilot you will need to be with an instructor or endorsed by one to fly solo in order to log the time. Just off the top of my head I don't think you can even log safety pilot time unless you are at least a private pilot.

October 9th, 2006, 20:49	#5
avdrummerboy Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 31	Re: flight time Thats what I figured; However as Lee D said the extra practice wouldn't hurt. As for solo I only need one more "supervised" solo and I will have full non-crosswind privilages.

October 9th, 2006, 21:35	#6
meritflyer Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Winchestertonfieldville Posts: 6,802	Re: flight time Be careful. 10 hours isnt enough to deal with moderate crosswinds. __________________ The simplest answer tends to be correct.

October 10th, 2006, 12:38	#8
avdrummerboy Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 31	Re: flight time If I could land in 11 Kt. tailwinds doesn't that mean anything?

October 10th, 2006, 12:58	#10
Lee D Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 651	Re: flight time Landing with a tail wind isnt really a difficult thing, heck, you can "land" in a 20 knot tail wind if you feel so inclined . . . . . if there is any runway left under your wheels when you finally come to a complete stop is another thing entirely.

October 10th, 2006, 13:04	#11
avdrummerboy Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 31	Re: flight time Actually no!!! At KAPV we have RYS 18/36 and 8/26. Last Saturday when I went up the wind was from 080 at 10 so any RWY would probably be okay. Then it switched to 360@11 and we were landing on the calm wind RWY 18! No one got the point to switch. So yeah its true I was landing in 11 KT. tailwinds. Not to mention the wind sheat and thermals around the pattern and especially on final. Boy you sure learn the point of a stabilized approach with a tailwind. I finally got the hang of it after about the fifth touch-and-go. Fortunantly RWY 18 is 6200 Ft. long so I had plenty of landing room with the overshooting and all from the wind.

October 10th, 2006, 14:11	#13
avdrummerboy Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 31	Re: flight time Up here at APV the wind never stops and is almost always off the RWY heading.

October 10th, 2006, 16:33	#14
gomntwins Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: South Dakota Posts: 509	Re: flight time sorry, should've elaborated. 11 knot tailwind ain't nothin'... just don't think that'll necessarily help you with a hefty crosswind. maybe you can land with a strong crosswind, but I'd really think twice about going up solo if it's bad.

October 10th, 2006, 18:36	#15
OldTownPilot Old Skool Join Date: May 2005 Location: BGR (Bangor, ME) Posts: 3,159 Blog Entries: 9	Re: flight time BGR's runway was 11441'x300', talk about a sheet of pavement. Its now x200' but it is still paved 300' wide. Earlier today I went to a practice field that was 2400'x50' with a 300' displaced threshold for trees on the approach end. Talk about night and day. I would agree that if the runway is long enough, and taiwind is not a big deal for a newer pilot. Crosswinds take a bit more time to get the kinks out of that skill. __________________ As a wise man said, sumb!tch flew in, sumb!tch'll fly out. Ski Hard. Party Harder.

October 12th, 2006, 18:03	#18
Ian J Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nashville Posts: 6,091 Blog Entries: 7	Re: flight time From flying helicopters I am very adverse to landing in a tailwind. Whereas in an airplane you just might need lots of runway, in a helicopter you might need "out of ground effect" hover power, and if you don't have OGE hover power that day, you crash. __________________

October 12th, 2006, 19:21	#19
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 10,352	Re: flight time i like this question. . . makes me laugh a little bit after a long day at work. __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \| The TRoP \| Rmble On \| ALPA \| IVAW \| ACLU \|

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