American Eagle changing pilot interview process [slightly]

Cherokee_Cruiser · October 8th, 2006, 02:36

This is from Eaglelounge,

Apparently, the latest class had 20 scheduled but only 8 pilots showed up.

So, the changes made:

* authorized the hiring if additional simulator instructors, as well as securing outside simulator time to increase the size of new hire classes.

* have elected to eliminate the Cognitive Screening testing during the interview process, to allow Eagle to be more competitive with other regional airlines.

surreal1221 · October 8th, 2006, 05:17

Silly question, what 'was' the cognitive screening test?

frog_flyer · October 8th, 2006, 05:28

it measured if you had the mental capacity to deal with real time emergencies. who needs that?

CFIse · October 8th, 2006, 07:56

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Originally Posted by Cherokee_Cruiser

This is from Eaglelounge,

Apparently, the latest class had 20 scheduled but only 8 pilots showed up.

So, the changes made:

* authorized the hiring if additional simulator instructors, as well as securing outside simulator time to increase the size of new hire classes.

* have elected to eliminate the Cognitive Screening testing during the interview process, to allow Eagle to be more competitive with other regional airlines.

With all due respect to Eagle - that makes no sense. If 20 were scheduled and only 8 showed up that means that 12 people had passed the interview and were expected to be in class but chose not to be there.

So:
- Adding additional sim. instructors makes no sense, because I assume they were already staffed to meet the needs of 20 people - with their show rate they could "increase" the new hire class size to 40+ and still have less than 20 show up.

- I assume that the 12 people that didn't show had already passed the interview and the cognitive test, so now they've removed that test, which I assume means they'll be able to invite 40+ people to the class but again less than 20 will show, but they'd already got 20 people through the cognitive test - there's some other reason they don't show for class.

Hey - I'm all for increasing the number of sim. instructors and killing the cognitive test, but I'm not buying the cause and effect.

MQAAord · October 8th, 2006, 09:01

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Originally Posted by CFIse

Hey - I'm all for increasing the number of sim. instructors and killing the cognitive test, but I'm not buying the cause and effect.

And here is your first lesson in AMRosophy. Logic, or anything like it, has no place at AMR. (I spent 7 years there, I can say that!)

Bandit_Driver · October 8th, 2006, 10:00

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Originally Posted by MQAAord

And here is your first lesson in AMRosophy. Logic, or anything like it, has no place at AMR. (I spent 7 years there, I can say that!)

I think that holds true at any airline these days...

Tim · October 8th, 2006, 11:59

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Originally Posted by MQAAord

And here is your first lesson in AMRosophy. Logic, or anything like it, has no place at AMR. (I spent 7 years there, I can say that!)

Amber that is at any airline.......also the words "common sense" do not exist at airlines

zmiller4 · October 8th, 2006, 12:12

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Originally Posted by surreal1221

Silly question, what 'was' the cognitive screening test?

It was a computer-based test that tested hand-eye coordination and multi-tasking skills with time pressure. It made you do things like determine quickly if two letter/number sequences were the same, repeat back letter sequences (link that 80's kid's toy, I forget what it was called), and all these other bizarre and kind of stressful things. If you failed--which a fair number did--you had to pay a private psychologist $500-1000 to run the test again and show that you didn't have neurological difficulties.

The test wouldn't be too bad if it was all you were there to do, but they made you do it on the second day after you'd already had a full and stressful day of interviewing and been poked and prodded in every way imaginable during the medical.

I highly doubt this will help Eagle. What they need to do is recognize that the way they assign aircraft is completely incompatible with the way their bases are distributed. If most of your aircraft--CRJ, Saab, ATR--only have two bases in one general region, but the airline as a whole is spread out throughout the whole continent, it doesn't make sense not to give new hires any idea of what they can expect for an aircraft/base. People are genuinely afraid to go there because they're afraid they'll get stuck in the ATR or Saab in some base they hate with no chance to go anywhere for a year and a half. If they simply gave people an idea of where they'd be going, they wouldn't have a million no-shows.

surreal1221 · October 8th, 2006, 12:18

I see. . . thanks for the information.

Timbuff10 · October 8th, 2006, 12:25

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Originally Posted by zmiller4

If most of your aircraft--CRJ, Saab, ATR--only have two bases in one general region, but the airline as a whole is spread out throughout the whole continent, it doesn't make sense not to give new hires any idea of what they can expect for an aircraft/base. People are genuinely afraid to go there because they're afraid they'll get stuck in the ATR or Saab in some base they hate with no chance to go anywhere for a year and a half. If they simply gave people an idea of where they'd be going, they wouldn't have a million no-shows.

I don't think you could pay me enough to go "anywhere" for your company no matter what kind of job it was... Work to live people, don't live to work!

bunghole · October 8th, 2006, 16:42

Just a side note to this and the logic at AE. I intereviewed last year to the date and was given a conditional acceptance based on openings in the LAX area for A&P position. They said no openings after a promise for a January start. Now they said that my application has expired and to resubmit. I did and now another interview/screening/testing...blah blah blah. Not a very cost effective process considering the flight/hotel/testing etc, and the cost of me taking time off for two days. So you may wonder whats the holy grail of pay? 15 bux an hour. Whew Hoo!

My 1.9 Cents

TXaviator · October 8th, 2006, 17:36

out of pure curiousity/ignorance, what are their base/equip combos?

zmiller4 · October 8th, 2006, 19:41

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Originally Posted by TXaviator

out of pure curiousity/ignorance, what are their base/equip combos?

ATR--Miami and San Juan
ERJ--chicago, dallas, new york, boston, LA
CRJ--chicago and dallas
Saab--LA and dallas

alphaone · October 9th, 2006, 01:51

All I would say is that if AMR gave me a class date, I sure as hell would be there.

TXaviator · October 9th, 2006, 03:21

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Originally Posted by zmiller4

ATR--Miami and San Juan
ERJ--chicago, dallas, new york, boston, LA
CRJ--chicago and dallas
Saab--LA and dallas

the only place i WOULDNT want to live is boston...the rest look fantastic to me

Maximillian_Jenius · October 9th, 2006, 03:35

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Originally Posted by TXaviator

the only place i WOULDNT want to live is boston...the rest look fantastic to me

Me neither I hear it is one racist city...no thanks I'll pass!!!

TXaviator · October 9th, 2006, 03:39

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Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

Me neither I hear it is one racist city...no thanks I'll pass!!!

id just want to murder people by the end of day 1 for that STUPID ACCENT.

Maximillian_Jenius · October 9th, 2006, 03:46

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Originally Posted by TXaviator

id just want to murder people by the end of day 1 for that STUPID ACCENT.

I love a east coast baaaaaaston accent!

ready2fly · October 9th, 2006, 09:39

That cog test was fun!!!

The reason that A.E. is having problems with folks not showing up for interviews has NOTHING to do with the interview process iteself. Yes, it's long and intense, but I've heard of worse.

The upgrade time (or total lack thereof) is the reason that folks don't want to come here. Unfrortunately, until American starts recalling their furloughed pilots of which 400+ are currently sitting in the left seat at Eagle.....NOTHING will change.

They just canceled the CRJ captain upgrade class that was scheduled for December.

Cruise · October 9th, 2006, 09:45

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Originally Posted by TXaviator

id just want to murder people by the end of day 1 for that STUPID ACCENT.

OMG......I can't stand that terrible accent either.

You know people, there are 26 lettaas in the english alphabet. No one drives their caaa to the baaa.

How does WORCHESTER become pronounced as WOOSTER???? Just curious.

zmiller4 · October 9th, 2006, 10:22

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Originally Posted by ready2fly

That cog test was fun!!!

You're a disturbed individual.

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The upgrade time (or total lack thereof) is the reason that folks don't want to come here.

That's the biggest part, but I've heard they've been struggling more with the ATR program because no one wants to go there.

Any idea what the "big announcement" that was supposed to be coming in October is? My friends in San Juan were all exited, but I was assuming it would be either limited recalls or the old news that they're pulling Saabs out of the desert.

Doug Taylor · October 9th, 2006, 10:39

I did a cog test for my current employer.

If you have what it takes, it's a piece of cake. If you're a dope, well it isn't!

Trust me, if Eagle dropped their mins, the same people screaming "I don't want to go there!' today will be in Member Announcements saying "DUDE IJUSGOTHIREDBYEAGLE! WOOO!" weeks later.

WestIndian425 · October 9th, 2006, 11:02

You're probably right, Michael....I mean Doug.

American not recalling 400 pilots on furlough at Eagleflight does make sense as to the slow upgrade times. From what I've been hearing, the slow upgrades is the biggest applicant repellent. However, I do believe that AMR is a solid company, and although Stan's account is just one person's opinion, his description did give me a good impression of Eagle.

ready2fly · October 11th, 2006, 12:58

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Originally Posted by zmiller

You're a disturbed individual

Whaaat? What's not fun about: tap-tap-tap-tap-tap-TAP......"####" tap-tap-tap-tap-tap-TAP-TAP-"DAMMIT" tap-tap-tap-tap-tap-TAP-TAP-TAP "Muther *$#@er".

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Originally Posted by zmiller4

Any idea what the "big announcement" that was supposed to be coming in October is? My friends in San Juan were all exited, but I was assuming it would be either limited recalls or the old news that they're pulling Saabs out of the desert.

No clue. It's now the 11th and no big announcement has been made. The Saabs have been in the process of being recalled from the desert for a few months now, but that's not really a big deal. The one's they are pulling out of the desert are the one's AMR owns.

They're still letting the leases run out on the ones they don't own, so they're really just breaking even.

As for the recalls back to American, that seems to be the biggest rumor around here, but until it happens - the recalls, not the announcement of recalls - I'm not counting on it.

Otherwise, it's status quo. Still a decent place to work. Great equipment/maintenance. Decent folks for the most part. Middle of the class first year wages.......so, it is what it is.

jtrain609 · October 11th, 2006, 13:03

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Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

I did a cog test for my current employer.

If you have what it takes, it's a piece of cake. If you're a dope, well it isn't!

Trust me, if Eagle dropped their mins, the same people screaming "I don't want to go there!' today will be in Member Announcements saying "DUDE IJUSGOTHIREDBYEAGLE! WOOO!" weeks later.

d00d Eagle is interviewing at like 500 hours, how much lower can you go?

October 8th, 2006, 02:36	#1
Cherokee_Cruiser Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 1,419	American Eagle changing pilot interview process [slightly] This is from Eaglelounge, Apparently, the latest class had 20 scheduled but only 8 pilots showed up. So, the changes made: * authorized the hiring if additional simulator instructors, as well as securing outside simulator time to increase the size of new hire classes. * have elected to eliminate the Cognitive Screening testing during the interview process, to allow Eagle to be more competitive with other regional airlines.

October 8th, 2006, 05:17	#2
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 8,655	Re: American Eagle changing pilot interview process [slightly] Silly question, what 'was' the cognitive screening test? __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \|The TRoP \| Ramble On \|ALPA \| Your DD-214 is where?

October 8th, 2006, 05:28	#3
frog_flyer Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: FTW Posts: 3,932 Blog Entries: 1	Re: American Eagle changing pilot interview process [slightly] it measured if you had the mental capacity to deal with real time emergencies. who needs that? __________________ Charter Member - JC Pilot Motion Picture Society (JC PiMPS) "There needs to be more drinking here on JC. We need more ******* partying!" -Doug Taylor Last edited by DE727UPS; October 8th, 2006 at 11:27.

October 8th, 2006, 12:18	#9
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 8,655	Re: American Eagle changing pilot interview process [slightly] I see. . . thanks for the information. __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \|The TRoP \| Ramble On \|ALPA \| Your DD-214 is where?

October 8th, 2006, 16:42	#11
bunghole Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 246	Re: American Eagle changing pilot interview process [slightly] Just a side note to this and the logic at AE. I intereviewed last year to the date and was given a conditional acceptance based on openings in the LAX area for A&P position. They said no openings after a promise for a January start. Now they said that my application has expired and to resubmit. I did and now another interview/screening/testing...blah blah blah. Not a very cost effective process considering the flight/hotel/testing etc, and the cost of me taking time off for two days. So you may wonder whats the holy grail of pay? 15 bux an hour. Whew Hoo! My 1.9 Cents

October 8th, 2006, 17:36	#12
TXaviator Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Austin, TX / Grand Forks, ND Posts: 1,955	Re: American Eagle changing pilot interview process [slightly] out of pure curiousity/ignorance, what are their base/equip combos? __________________ CPL AMEL-I 175TT / 20 ME ...and a pulse.

October 9th, 2006, 01:51	#14
alphaone Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 781	Re: American Eagle changing pilot interview process [slightly] All I would say is that if AMR gave me a class date, I sure as hell would be there. __________________ 8/20/05 PPL 8/16/06 IR

October 9th, 2006, 10:39	#22
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 39,827 Blog Entries: 1	Re: American Eagle changing pilot interview process [slightly] I did a cog test for my current employer. If you have what it takes, it's a piece of cake. If you're a dope, well it isn't! Trust me, if Eagle dropped their mins, the same people screaming "I don't want to go there!' today will be in Member Announcements saying "DUDE IJUSGOTHIREDBYEAGLE! WOOO!" weeks later. __________________ Doug Taylor http://76school.flyblog.com (old!) http://30west.flyblog.com (updated 11/28)

October 9th, 2006, 11:02	#23
WestIndian425 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: KEWR (by way of Brooklyn, NY) Posts: 916	Re: American Eagle changing pilot interview process [slightly] You're probably right, Michael....I mean Doug. American not recalling 400 pilots on furlough at Eagleflight does make sense as to the slow upgrade times. From what I've been hearing, the slow upgrades is the biggest applicant repellent. However, I do believe that AMR is a solid company, and although Stan's account is just one person's opinion, his description did give me a good impression of Eagle. __________________ God did not create aircraft pilots to be on the ground.

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