Instrument Approach Brief

SJFLYER · May 8th, 2003, 09:43

I would like to know from the airline guys. How do you brief your approaches? IE the way to do it when ask on an interview to brief an approach.

thanks,

ORL

davetheflyer · May 8th, 2003, 10:17

Basically, we just start at the top and work your way down.

1. Airport, chart, date

From the briefing strip:
2. Freq.
3. Final approach course
4. DA
5. TDZE
6. MSA(s)

Plan View
7. IAF (if required)
8. Course changes

Profile
9. Altitudes

10. Missed Approach Plan

11. Minimums

Jason · May 8th, 2003, 10:41

"This is the Bingo ILS 16, no changes - same as it has been the past 585 times we've flown it - request direct Syracuse on the missed"

Ok so it wasn't usually quite that relaxed but sometimes. At a regional airline especially where you fly the same approaches over and over and over again it's very easy to get complacent. Even the people that pick up the charts and look at them while briefing will often read the info from memory and not even notice that maybe an altitude has changed. Develop a good briefing system and make sure you actually read the chart when you do a briefing!!!

Jason

E_Dawg · May 8th, 2003, 13:45

APPROACH BRIEF
1. I.D. APP Plate
2. Primary APP Nav Tuned - ID
3. Marker Beacon Test and Set
4. FAC Verified - Set - #1 Nav
5. FAF ALT (Rvs) - Step Downs
6. DA / MDA - Vis - LOC - Circle
7. MAP Point - Procedure
8. Time - VDP
9. Terrain
10. No Nav Flags
11. Power Set
12. G-U-M-P-B-L-E-S

^^ dunno if you can use this; but it works for me (I got it from my instructor).

Jason · May 8th, 2003, 14:29

GUMPBLES is a new one on me - what's it stand for?!

Jason

May 8th, 2003, 14:45

Never heard of GUMBLES...the one that I have always used is BCGUM.

Boost pump
Carb heat
Gas fullest tank
Undercarriage down
Mixture rich

E_Dawg · May 8th, 2003, 14:47

[ QUOTE ]
GUMPBLES is a new one on me - what's it stand for?!
Jason

[/ QUOTE ]

Gas
undercarrage
mixture
prop (or power for fixed pitch)
brakes
landing lights
engine guages
safety belts

ready2fly · May 8th, 2003, 14:58

We use GUMPSS:

Gas (fuel pump on, on fuller tank, guages in the green)
Undercarriage (down and... welded

.. locked)
Mixture (rich)
Props (set on <insert appropriate setting here>)
Switches (on)
Seatbelts (on and locked)

flyhi5 · May 8th, 2003, 16:57

yeah i've always used... GUMPSLB

s, l, b seat belts, landing ligh, brake pressure.

also one thing a lot of people over look at this point (which is not requiered in some airplanes, but good idea) is carb heat. if you use carb heat on decents, approaches and landings, when you're going through this checklist you might want to get that on too... even if you're not out of the green yet. its just one less thing to worry about when you're on your approach.

Alchemy · May 8th, 2003, 19:46

I always used BCGUMPSLC

Boost Pump -- Check Fuel PSI and On if needed
Cowl Flaps -- Closed
Gas (Fuel Selector) -- Both or fullest tank
Undercarriage -- Extend
Mixture -- Rich
Propellor -- Full Forward
Seatbelts -- On
Landing Lights -- On
Carb Heat -- As needed

Hasn't failed me yet.........

E_Dawg · May 8th, 2003, 19:54

[ QUOTE ]
I always used BCGUMPSLC

[/ QUOTE ]

Just how the hell are you supposed to say that?! Like it's spelled, right

Alchemy · May 8th, 2003, 20:07

[ QUOTE ]
Just how the hell are you supposed to say that?! Like it's spelled, right

[/ QUOTE ]

bee-see gumps-ull-see

usually we still just refer to to it as "The Gumps check".

mtsu_av8er · May 8th, 2003, 20:56

I use A-MICE-ATM.

It's sound's a little weird, but it covers all the bases.

A - ATIS/AWOS info. Know what the weather's doing before you're at the MDA/DH.

M - Mag Compass & Marker Beacon (if required). If things get busy close in the terminal area, it's nice to know that the nose is pointed in the right direction. Get that marker beacon on, tested, and loud now.

I - IDENTIFY EVERYTHING!!!! Enough said.

C - Course Inbound. Know the final approach segment. Sometimes there's a course change after the procedure turn....don't let that creep up on you.

E - Entry. Know weather or not there will be an IAF, if you'll do a procedure turn, or hold-type course reversal, or if you'll be getting vectors onto a published segment of the approach.

A - Altitudes. Know any step-down fixes, Initial altitude, MDA's, DH, etc.

T - Time. If you'll need to time the approach, figure out what speed you'll be shooting the approach, when you'll start timing, and what you're time to the MAP will be.

M - Missed Approach. Know the missed. If nothing else, know the initial climb, heading, and have the holding point (if there is one) set up and clearly in your head.

Everyone has their own approach briefing, but I've found that this one is quick, easy, and get's the job done when a controller throws an off-the wall approach at you. (Example : I had this experience a few weeks ago, talking to Nashville Approach.

TRACON : N92659, you can expect the NDB Approach at Gallatin.

N92659 : We're unable the NDB approach, we're not showing that it exists anymore.

TRACON : OK, how about the GPS RWY 35 Approach? [Which I'd Never Even Known About....nobody ever uses that]

N92659 : OK, that'll be fine.

TRACON : Roger, N92659 Proceed Direct OPCIL, now 4 miles west of OPCIL, cleared GPS RWY 35 Approach, report crossing APATY

All this, in the clouds, 3 miles vis, 500 OVC. Thank goodness for a good briefing procedure!!!

May 8th, 2003, 10:17	#2
davetheflyer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: KATL, Georgia, Tennessee Posts: 1,016	Re: Instrument Approach Brief Basically, we just start at the top and work your way down. 1. Airport, chart, date From the briefing strip: 2. Freq. 3. Final approach course 4. DA 5. TDZE 6. MSA(s) Plan View 7. IAF (if required) 8. Course changes Profile 9. Altitudes 10. Missed Approach Plan 11. Minimums

May 8th, 2003, 10:41	#3
Jason Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,024	Re: Instrument Approach Brief "This is the Bingo ILS 16, no changes - same as it has been the past 585 times we've flown it - request direct Syracuse on the missed" Ok so it wasn't usually quite that relaxed but sometimes. At a regional airline especially where you fly the same approaches over and over and over again it's very easy to get complacent. Even the people that pick up the charts and look at them while briefing will often read the info from memory and not even notice that maybe an altitude has changed. Develop a good briefing system and make sure you actually read the chart when you do a briefing!!! Jason

May 8th, 2003, 13:45	#4
E_Dawg Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: chicago Posts: 4,311	Re: Instrument Approach Brief APPROACH BRIEF 1. I.D. APP Plate 2. Primary APP Nav Tuned - ID 3. Marker Beacon Test and Set 4. FAC Verified - Set - #1 Nav 5. FAF ALT (Rvs) - Step Downs 6. DA / MDA - Vis - LOC - Circle 7. MAP Point - Procedure 8. Time - VDP 9. Terrain 10. No Nav Flags 11. Power Set 12. G-U-M-P-B-L-E-S ^^ dunno if you can use this; but it works for me (I got it from my instructor).

May 8th, 2003, 14:29	#5
Jason Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,024	Re: Instrument Approach Brief GUMPBLES is a new one on me - what's it stand for?! Jason

May 8th, 2003, 14:45	#6
Lurker Posts: n/a	Re: Instrument Approach Brief Never heard of GUMBLES...the one that I have always used is BCGUM. Boost pump Carb heat Gas fullest tank Undercarriage down Mixture rich

May 8th, 2003, 09:43	#1
SJFLYER Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Norfolk, Virginia Posts: 110	Instrument Approach Brief I would like to know from the airline guys. How do you brief your approaches? IE the way to do it when ask on an interview to brief an approach. thanks, ORL

May 8th, 2003, 14:47	#7
E_Dawg Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: chicago Posts: 4,311	Re: Instrument Approach Brief [ QUOTE ] GUMPBLES is a new one on me - what's it stand for?! Jason [/ QUOTE ] Gas undercarrage mixture prop (or power for fixed pitch) brakes landing lights engine guages safety belts

May 8th, 2003, 14:58	#8
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,373	Re: Instrument Approach Brief We use GUMPSS: Gas (fuel pump on, on fuller tank, guages in the green) Undercarriage (down and... welded .. locked) Mixture (rich) Props (set on <insert appropriate setting here>) Switches (on) Seatbelts (on and locked)

May 8th, 2003, 16:57	#9
flyhi5 Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: VA Posts: 36	Re: Instrument Approach Brief yeah i've always used... GUMPSLB s, l, b seat belts, landing ligh, brake pressure. also one thing a lot of people over look at this point (which is not requiered in some airplanes, but good idea) is carb heat. if you use carb heat on decents, approaches and landings, when you're going through this checklist you might want to get that on too... even if you're not out of the green yet. its just one less thing to worry about when you're on your approach.

May 8th, 2003, 19:46	#10
Alchemy Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Austin, TX, USA Posts: 1,845	Re: Instrument Approach Brief I always used BCGUMPSLC Boost Pump -- Check Fuel PSI and On if needed Cowl Flaps -- Closed Gas (Fuel Selector) -- Both or fullest tank Undercarriage -- Extend Mixture -- Rich Propellor -- Full Forward Seatbelts -- On Landing Lights -- On Carb Heat -- As needed Hasn't failed me yet.........

May 8th, 2003, 19:54	#11
E_Dawg Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: chicago Posts: 4,311	Re: Instrument Approach Brief [ QUOTE ] I always used BCGUMPSLC [/ QUOTE ] Just how the hell are you supposed to say that?! Like it's spelled, right

May 8th, 2003, 20:07	#12
Alchemy Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Austin, TX, USA Posts: 1,845	Re: Instrument Approach Brief [ QUOTE ] Just how the hell are you supposed to say that?! Like it's spelled, right [/ QUOTE ] bee-see gumps-ull-see usually we still just refer to to it as "The Gumps check".

May 8th, 2003, 20:56	#13
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,590	Re: Instrument Approach Brief I use A-MICE-ATM. It's sound's a little weird, but it covers all the bases. A - ATIS/AWOS info. Know what the weather's doing before you're at the MDA/DH. M - Mag Compass & Marker Beacon (if required). If things get busy close in the terminal area, it's nice to know that the nose is pointed in the right direction. Get that marker beacon on, tested, and loud now. I - IDENTIFY EVERYTHING!!!! Enough said. C - Course Inbound. Know the final approach segment. Sometimes there's a course change after the procedure turn....don't let that creep up on you. E - Entry. Know weather or not there will be an IAF, if you'll do a procedure turn, or hold-type course reversal, or if you'll be getting vectors onto a published segment of the approach. A - Altitudes. Know any step-down fixes, Initial altitude, MDA's, DH, etc. T - Time. If you'll need to time the approach, figure out what speed you'll be shooting the approach, when you'll start timing, and what you're time to the MAP will be. M - Missed Approach. Know the missed. If nothing else, know the initial climb, heading, and have the holding point (if there is one) set up and clearly in your head. Everyone has their own approach briefing, but I've found that this one is quick, easy, and get's the job done when a controller throws an off-the wall approach at you. (Example : I had this experience a few weeks ago, talking to Nashville Approach. TRACON : N92659, you can expect the NDB Approach at Gallatin. N92659 : We're unable the NDB approach, we're not showing that it exists anymore. TRACON : OK, how about the GPS RWY 35 Approach? [Which I'd Never Even Known About....nobody ever uses that] N92659 : OK, that'll be fine. TRACON : Roger, N92659 Proceed Direct OPCIL, now 4 miles west of OPCIL, cleared GPS RWY 35 Approach, report crossing APATY All this, in the clouds, 3 miles vis, 500 OVC. Thank goodness for a good briefing procedure!!!

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