Well cr@p ... or, what it's like to bust the IA checkride - Page 2

Astin · May 7th, 2003, 11:31

Pilot, where do you fly out of?
Was Larry Tiffen your DE? I had my multi add-on, instrument, and commercial rides w/ him....he is a really fair guy, and has a lot of knowledge to share. The only thing I don't like about him is the mind games he plays when he leaves you in the exam room while he finishes breakfast.
What really sucks is the fact that the Fort was shut down for the day.
What a bummer.

Doug Taylor · May 7th, 2003, 11:57

Larry Tiffen sounds familiar...

Astin · May 7th, 2003, 12:16

Yea, he is a pretty popular guy around Arizona. He has been around forever, and has done about a million checkrides. He now runs the airport in Nogales and owns a flight school there as well.
Smart guy.

MikeD · May 7th, 2003, 16:23

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Larry Tiffen sounds familiar...

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Doug, remember Arizona Pathetic (Pacific) airlines that ran out of that FBO on the tower side of Prescott next to the FSS and flew Navajo Chieftains? That was his op. Went belly up after one of the Navajo's landed on fire at KPHX.

MD

Doug Taylor · May 7th, 2003, 16:34

Oh, THAT Larry Tiffin!

I rode one of those Navajos up from PHX to PRC once. Nothing like sitting backwards staring at some guy staring up in the cockpit to the glow of a turbocharger at night!

What was it, like a $10,000 PFT outfit or something like that?

MikeD · May 7th, 2003, 16:45

[ QUOTE ]
Oh, THAT Larry Tiffin!

I rode one of those Navajos up from PHX to PRC once. Nothing like sitting backwards staring at some guy staring up in the cockpit to the glow of a turbocharger at night!

What was it, like a $10,000 PFT outfit or something like that?

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Yeah they had their own scam of some sort of "pay to be a co-pilot" program on the Navajo's.

About as much of a joke as the ERAU King Air C-90s......

jdflight · May 8th, 2003, 01:32

Busted my first IA, too. On a hold, something I'd never had any trouble with before. Just had it thrown at me last second by ATC and got confused. It happens. You'll get it next time.

sbav8r · May 8th, 2003, 08:01

I'm confused. If your stationed at SDL what in the world were you doing at TUS, Ryan, and OLS? SDL has the FSDO right there and you could have done all your necessary approaches in the local area. When I did mine I departed CHD went to Gila Bend, then over to IWA, and came back into CHD. In all it only took 1.5 hours. Could you not find a DPE in the local area?

MikeD · May 8th, 2003, 08:34

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I'm confused. If your stationed at SDL what in the world were you doing at TUS, Ryan, and OLS? SDL has the FSDO right there and you could have done all your necessary approaches in the local area. When I did mine I departed CHD went to Gila Bend, then over to IWA, and came back into CHD. In all it only took 1.5 hours. Could you not find a DPE in the local area?

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Doesn't the FSDO still give checkrides, without the $200 or so it costs to pay a DE?

sbav8r · May 8th, 2003, 08:39

Yeah, but sometimes they are hard to schedule with. [ QUOTE ]
Doesn't the FSDO still give checkrides, without the $200 or so it costs to pay a DE?

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SJFLYER · May 8th, 2003, 08:56

For what is worth he should have let you re shoot that ILS. I am sure that you will have no problems your second time arround.

MikeD · May 8th, 2003, 09:00

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For what is worth he should have let you re shoot that ILS. I am sure that you will have no problems your second time arround.

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The DE was probably short of cash and needs to give a few pink slips in order to get another round of "fees", $200 or whatever.

sbav8r · May 8th, 2003, 09:09

I think it's a one time fee, he doesn't get paid again for the retest. Atleast that's how the DPE that I've always used does it. He tells you that at the begining of the examination and also asks if you would like him to not tell you if you bust until the end so that it doesn't throw you off.

Does this guy or anyone else really charge you agian for completing the portion you busted on?

jdflight · May 8th, 2003, 10:04

At least for the CFI ride, it's now $300. And a retest is an additional $75. I think fees are standard. Yes, the FSDO will still do it for free, but scheduling can be a problem and you don't know until that day which examiner you'll get. Some of those guys are animals.

pilot602 · May 8th, 2003, 10:38

[ QUOTE ]
I'm confused. If your stationed at SDL what in the world were you doing at TUS, Ryan, and OLS? SDL has the FSDO right there and you could have done all your necessary approaches in the local area. When I did mine I departed CHD went to Gila Bend, then over to IWA, and came back into CHD. In all it only took 1.5 hours. Could you not find a DPE in the local area?

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Because there are only about two guys in the entire state of AZ that can still give checkrides in a PA-23 150/60 (Apache). One is based in TUS the other one is in OLS. They don't like to come up here and with access to my own aircraft, and having to build time anyway, I didn't mind the flight down. And if I fly down there it makes no sense to fly back up to the PHX area to do approaches.

Besides, I'd flown most of the approaches down there at least once (at Ryan, TUS and OLS) so it wasn't like it was completely unfamiliar territory. The only approach that would have been brand, spankin' new to me would have been Ft. Huachuca.

And, yes, the DEs generally charge a "re-test" fee. But like the test itself it's completely up to them what, if anything, they charge. I paid $300 for the ride and I'll have dish out another $100 for the re-test.

And I could have gone through the FSDO but they generally have a wait list longer than any of the DEs (hence the need for the DEs in the first place).

E_Dawg · May 8th, 2003, 13:27

The 'standard' pass / fail rate is 85% pass / 15% fail (for privates anyways...); if the examiner's levels are significantly higher or lower, he or she may be subject to a closer look by the FSDO.

Or so I've read, anyways.

May 7th, 2003, 11:31	#26
Astin Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 94	Re: Well cr@p ... or, what it\'s like to bust the IA checkride Pilot, where do you fly out of? Was Larry Tiffen your DE? I had my multi add-on, instrument, and commercial rides w/ him....he is a really fair guy, and has a lot of knowledge to share. The only thing I don't like about him is the mind games he plays when he leaves you in the exam room while he finishes breakfast. What really sucks is the fact that the Fort was shut down for the day. What a bummer.

May 7th, 2003, 11:57	#27
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,926 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Well cr@p ... or, what it\'s like to bust the IA checkride Larry Tiffen sounds familiar...

May 7th, 2003, 12:16	#28
Astin Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 94	Re: Well cr@p ... or, what it\'s like to bust the IA checkride Yea, he is a pretty popular guy around Arizona. He has been around forever, and has done about a million checkrides. He now runs the airport in Nogales and owns a flight school there as well. Smart guy.

May 7th, 2003, 16:23	#29
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Well cr@p ... or, what it\'s like to bust the IA checkride [ QUOTE ] Larry Tiffen sounds familiar... [/ QUOTE ] Doug, remember Arizona Pathetic (Pacific) airlines that ran out of that FBO on the tower side of Prescott next to the FSS and flew Navajo Chieftains? That was his op. Went belly up after one of the Navajo's landed on fire at KPHX. MD

May 7th, 2003, 16:34	#30
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,926 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Well cr@p ... or, what it\'s like to bust the IA checkride Oh, THAT Larry Tiffin! I rode one of those Navajos up from PHX to PRC once. Nothing like sitting backwards staring at some guy staring up in the cockpit to the glow of a turbocharger at night! What was it, like a $10,000 PFT outfit or something like that?

May 7th, 2003, 16:45	#31
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Well cr@p ... or, what it\'s like to bust the IA checkride [ QUOTE ] Oh, THAT Larry Tiffin! I rode one of those Navajos up from PHX to PRC once. Nothing like sitting backwards staring at some guy staring up in the cockpit to the glow of a turbocharger at night! What was it, like a $10,000 PFT outfit or something like that? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah they had their own scam of some sort of "pay to be a co-pilot" program on the Navajo's. About as much of a joke as the ERAU King Air C-90s......

May 8th, 2003, 01:32	#32
jdflight Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Boulder, CO (anywhere but Fresno) Posts: 1,495	Re: Well cr@p ... or, what it\'s like to bust the IA checkride Busted my first IA, too. On a hold, something I'd never had any trouble with before. Just had it thrown at me last second by ATC and got confused. It happens. You'll get it next time.

May 8th, 2003, 08:01	#33
sbav8r Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 195	Re: Well cr@p ... or, what it\'s like to bust the IA checkride I'm confused. If your stationed at SDL what in the world were you doing at TUS, Ryan, and OLS? SDL has the FSDO right there and you could have done all your necessary approaches in the local area. When I did mine I departed CHD went to Gila Bend, then over to IWA, and came back into CHD. In all it only took 1.5 hours. Could you not find a DPE in the local area?

May 8th, 2003, 08:34	#34
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Well cr@p ... or, what it\'s like to bust the IA checkride [ QUOTE ] I'm confused. If your stationed at SDL what in the world were you doing at TUS, Ryan, and OLS? SDL has the FSDO right there and you could have done all your necessary approaches in the local area. When I did mine I departed CHD went to Gila Bend, then over to IWA, and came back into CHD. In all it only took 1.5 hours. Could you not find a DPE in the local area? [/ QUOTE ] Doesn't the FSDO still give checkrides, without the $200 or so it costs to pay a DE?

May 8th, 2003, 08:39	#35
sbav8r Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 195	Re: Well cr@p ... or, what it\'s like to bust the IA checkride Yeah, but sometimes they are hard to schedule with. [ QUOTE ] Doesn't the FSDO still give checkrides, without the $200 or so it costs to pay a DE? [/ QUOTE ]

May 8th, 2003, 08:56	#36
SJFLYER Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Norfolk, Virginia Posts: 110	Re: Well cr@p ... or, what it\'s like to bust the IA checkride For what is worth he should have let you re shoot that ILS. I am sure that you will have no problems your second time arround.

May 8th, 2003, 09:00	#37
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Well cr@p ... or, what it\'s like to bust the IA checkride [ QUOTE ] For what is worth he should have let you re shoot that ILS. I am sure that you will have no problems your second time arround. [/ QUOTE ] The DE was probably short of cash and needs to give a few pink slips in order to get another round of "fees", $200 or whatever.

May 8th, 2003, 09:09	#38
sbav8r Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 195	Re: Well cr@p ... or, what it\'s like to bust the IA checkride I think it's a one time fee, he doesn't get paid again for the retest. Atleast that's how the DPE that I've always used does it. He tells you that at the begining of the examination and also asks if you would like him to not tell you if you bust until the end so that it doesn't throw you off. Does this guy or anyone else really charge you agian for completing the portion you busted on?

May 8th, 2003, 10:04	#39
jdflight Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Boulder, CO (anywhere but Fresno) Posts: 1,495	Re: Well cr@p ... or, what it\'s like to bust the IA checkride At least for the CFI ride, it's now $300. And a retest is an additional $75. I think fees are standard. Yes, the FSDO will still do it for free, but scheduling can be a problem and you don't know until that day which examiner you'll get. Some of those guys are animals.

May 8th, 2003, 10:38	#40
pilot602 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: who haa Posts: 3,752	Re: Well cr@p ... or, what it\'s like to bust the IA checkride [ QUOTE ] I'm confused. If your stationed at SDL what in the world were you doing at TUS, Ryan, and OLS? SDL has the FSDO right there and you could have done all your necessary approaches in the local area. When I did mine I departed CHD went to Gila Bend, then over to IWA, and came back into CHD. In all it only took 1.5 hours. Could you not find a DPE in the local area? [/ QUOTE ] Because there are only about two guys in the entire state of AZ that can still give checkrides in a PA-23 150/60 (Apache). One is based in TUS the other one is in OLS. They don't like to come up here and with access to my own aircraft, and having to build time anyway, I didn't mind the flight down. And if I fly down there it makes no sense to fly back up to the PHX area to do approaches. Besides, I'd flown most of the approaches down there at least once (at Ryan, TUS and OLS) so it wasn't like it was completely unfamiliar territory. The only approach that would have been brand, spankin' new to me would have been Ft. Huachuca. And, yes, the DEs generally charge a "re-test" fee. But like the test itself it's completely up to them what, if anything, they charge. I paid $300 for the ride and I'll have dish out another $100 for the re-test. And I could have gone through the FSDO but they generally have a wait list longer than any of the DEs (hence the need for the DEs in the first place).

May 8th, 2003, 13:27	#41
E_Dawg Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: chicago Posts: 4,311	Re: Well cr@p ... or, what it\'s like to bust the IA checkride The 'standard' pass / fail rate is 85% pass / 15% fail (for privates anyways...); if the examiner's levels are significantly higher or lower, he or she may be subject to a closer look by the FSDO. Or so I've read, anyways.

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