SkyWest RJ class

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by SkyWChris

Is this the small stuff you're referring to?

Here's what I'll be getting paid:

737-700 (124 seats): $35.16 first year, $61.67 second year
737-400 (144 seats): $35.16 first year, $61.67 second year
737-800 (157 seats): $35.16 first year, $61.67 second year
737-900 (172 seats): $35.16 first year, $61.67 second year

Nobody seems to care that the majors do the same thing with payrates and same-type airplanes.

Oh yeah, that's right, it's a blended rate. . . whatever the heck that means. . .

Nothing wrong with a blended rate as wheelsup stated if it is a good blended rate. But I just prefer how CO does it for their 737. One rate for their 500-700's and a higher rate for their 800-900's!

[Ophir]

Originally Posted by flyingmaniac

What are the chances of getting hired at SkyWest and flying the Brasilia? I really want to fly for SkyWest but not in a Brasilia. So what are the chances of getting hired and flying the CRJ?

IF this is your approach, my personal opinion is you have your priorities all messed up. Why wouldn't you want to fly the Bro? Do you know anything about it? Like Max said, you have Shiney Jet Syndrome.

I hope to go back to the Bro in a year in the left seat. I love that plane. Of course the Rj is more automated but what is the point? One thing I have that the people that haven't been in the Bro at SKYW is enough confidence and knowledge that I am excited, and willing, to upgrade in the Bro. Seriously, if I could flash forward one year from now I will be upgrading and hundreds of people in front of me on the seniority list will be waiting for a left seat opportunity in the RJ. But why? The reason: they are nervous, er, scared, to upgrade in a turboprop.

When the last two Captain I have flown with were hired by FedEx and Alaska respectively, why would wait for the RJ?

[Ophir]

Originally Posted by meyers9163

Options in aviation? Well not sounding negative but I'd say keep your "option" list wide open. Yeah Skywest would be awesome to fly for but just because your buddies are flying the jets does not mean it is right for everyone. I mean if you got on with SKW do you not think that learning a new system and plane such as the EMB might not make you a better overall pilot? Just wondering about that.

Planes are like life, they are what you make of them. If you fly the Bro and learn it inside and out and fly the piss out it, you will have a great time. If you sit in the left seat and opperate with the idea that the Captain has got it all covered then you will get nothing out of any plane you fly.

The Brasilia is a fantastic regional turboprop.

[pilot602]

Why are people so scared of the Bro? Or Turboprops in general?

[Ophir]

Originally Posted by SkyWChris

Is this the small stuff you're referring to?

Here's what I'll be getting paid:

737-700 (124 seats): $35.16 first year, $61.67 second year
737-400 (144 seats): $35.16 first year, $61.67 second year
737-800 (157 seats): $35.16 first year, $61.67 second year
737-900 (172 seats): $35.16 first year, $61.67 second year

Grandparents for free babysitting.........Priceless!

[JayAre]

Originally Posted by pilot602

Why are people so scared of the Bro? Or Turboprops in general?

From what I have been told by my friends....they always say how hard it is to fly, systems etc. When they bumped up into the jet it was always how easy it was to fly, systems, automated blah blah blah. I like the Bro it was the best 40 min back massage going to and from Cedar.

If only they had them in ORD.

Busy night for SkyW Are they doing checkrides
http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KCDC

[flyingmaniac]

Originally Posted by Ophir

IF this is your approach, my personal opinion is you have your priorities all messed up. Why wouldn't you want to fly the Bro? Do you know anything about it? Like Max said, you have Shiney Jet Syndrome.

I hope to go back to the Bro in a year in the left seat. I love that plane. Of course the Rj is more automated but what is the point? One thing I have that the people that haven't been in the Bro at SKYW is enough confidence and knowledge that I am excited, and willing, to upgrade in the Bro. Seriously, if I could flash forward one year from now I will be upgrading and hundreds of people in front of me on the seniority list will be waiting for a left seat opportunity in the RJ. But why? The reason: they are nervous, er, scared, to upgrade in a turboprop.

When the last two Captain I have flown with were hired by FedEx and Alaska respectively, why would wait for the RJ?

I guess that would make sense, getting more PIC time in a turboprop, than gaining SIC in an RJ. So I'm sure this probably has been asked before, but at SkyWest, what is the general upgrade time in the Bro and the RJ?

[zmiller4]

Originally Posted by flyingmaniac

I guess that would make sense, getting more PIC time in a turboprop, than gaining SIC in an RJ. So I'm sure this probably has been asked before, but at SkyWest, what is the general upgrade time in the Bro and the RJ?

You can upgrade in the same amount of time, no matter which aircraft you start out in. I think upgrades are running more or less 1.5yrs for the Brasilia and 2yrs or so for the jet, but that could change in an instant.

I think the point people are trying to make is that it's not a good idea to be picky about aircraft choices--in the long run, it's all turbine time.

If you want to be guaranteed to fly a CRJ, there's always GoJets.

[aloft]

Originally Posted by JayAre

Busy night for SkyW Are they doing checkrides
http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KCDC

Those are training/repo flight numbers, aren't they?

[Bumblebee]

Two EMB120 CA's I flew with upgraded at just over a year . . .

[aloft]

Originally Posted by SkyWChris

Here's what I'll be getting paid:

737-700 (124 seats): $35.16 first year, $61.67 second year
737-400 (144 seats): $35.16 first year, $61.67 second year
737-800 (157 seats): $35.16 first year, $61.67 second year
737-900 (172 seats): $35.16 first year, $61.67 second year

Yeeowch..that's a big paycut for you!

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by aloft

Yeeowch..that's a big paycut for you!

You're always gonna take a paycut when you're making good coin at a regional and jump to a major.

But I'd suck it up because as a regional employee you're a franchise for mainline today you have XXX flying. Tomorrow mainline could be saying that XXX can do the flying for cheaper can you beat it, if not were giving them our flying.

Won't happen at mainline!

[aloft]

Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

Tomorrow mainline could be saying that XXX can do the flying for cheaper can you beat it, if not were giving them our flying.

Won't happen at mainline!

Duuuuude. I'm so disappointed in your post. Tell me something: how much current DCI flying used to be flown by mainline crews? Now re-read what you just posted and tell me it makes any sense whatsoever.

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by aloft

Duuuuude. I'm so disappointed in your post. Tell me something: how much current DCI flying used to be flown by mainline crews? Now re-read what you just posted and tell me it makes any sense whatsoever.

Correct me if I'm wrong but DL mainline pilots weren't whipsaw'd against XXX who could do their flying for cheaper.

One of the main reason that DCI has more former mainline routes is because DL is in bk and their new plan to emerge and be profitable is to focus more of their time and effort on international travel and opening up new routes.

DCI flying has always typically been profitable for both the franchise carrier and mainline.

[EDUC8-or]

Originally Posted by GaTechKid

C'mon EDUC8! Aren't you in your 2nd year at PSA now? Don't you guys make $8 less per hour on the -200, $5 less per hour on the -700, and 3 hours less each month on reserve?

Very true, and our upgrade is pretty much non-existent unless you are a part of the J4J program.

Also, my buddy who jumped ship this summer to SKYW already has a line and I'm still on reserve.

Nevertheless, the proposed 900 pay rates were voted down. I will admit I wasn't eligible to vote when it happened, but I'm very proud of my fellow pilots here.


YO Ethan, what's up ROOOOOMMMMMMBBBBA!?!?

Edit: We have that whole union deal so we get to vote on things instead of the company just telling us what equipment we will be flying. I'm not a big fan of ALPA and they're not on our side on lots of issues, but it's nice when management asks you to fly bigger equipment for less money.

Here's another question for SKYW pilots, do you get paid 200 rates to fly the 200, 700 for the 700, etc?

[EDUC8-or]

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

I don't know where you are getting that $33 an hour from. PSA doesn't have a 90 seat rate and hence we aren't getting -900s. And don't get me started on Parker talking about flying different sized aircraft for the same rate two weeks after he justified raises for most of the upper managment by saying that they are now in charge of a bigger company.

Originally Posted by wheelsup

I interpolated from your current rates

IE:
50 seater rate, $27/hr
70 seater rate, $30/hr
90 seater rate, $33/hr

It was just a guess, that's all But it goes to show you that skywests' rates aren't low so to speak, in relation to the rest of the regional payrates, even for a quote/unquote 90 seater.

You done took the words right out of my mouth. I've been out of work for about 6 days and I was like WHOA we're getting the 900's?

Personally I don't want 'em here because I'd like to move on to make more money somewhere else at the "next" level. I know if we don't get them someone else will, and as BobDDuck says, "The slide continues."

[wheelsup]

Originally Posted by EDUC8-or

Here's another question for SKYW pilots, do you get paid 200 rates to fly the 200, 700 for the 700, etc?

C'mon man, their rates are significantly higher across the board. Why get into this fight?

This is like poking fun at the UPS pilots for having one rate. Ok, they do. But their one rate is higher than pretty much any carrier out there for any type of equipment. Same thing with skywest (as far as us FO's go).

I'm not a skywest pilot, but at awac there is one rate for the -200's and (nonexistant) -700's.

Not only that, but we as noob pilots have NOTHING to do with the current rates, so slinging mud is a moot point (and in this case just makes PSA look bad).

[EDUC8-or]

Originally Posted by wheelsup

C'mon man, their rates are significantly higher across the board. Why get into this fight?

This is like poking fun at the UPS pilots for having one rate. Ok, they do. But their one rate is higher than pretty much any carrier out there for any type of equipment. Same thing with skywest (as far as us FO's go).

I'm not a skywest pilot, but at awac there is one rate for the -200's and (nonexistant) -700's.

Not only that, but we as noob pilots have NOTHING to do with the current rates, so slinging mud is a moot point (and in this case just makes PSA look bad).

It was an honest question and I wasn't slinging mud. I was simply curious to see if they get paid a blended rate (like PSA) or if they get paid per equipment type (i.e. you fly the 200 all month you make less than your buddy who is senior to you and he can hold a line on the 900.)

I know all about having nothing to do with the current rates. I chose to come here because I have family in and around the Charlotte area. I know I may not upgrade for quite some time and I've been on reserve the entire time I've been here. Yes, I'm happy at PSA and I'm not a negative person, but this place is far from perfect.

Not slinging mud at all, I apologize if it appeared that way. I'm sure SkyWest is a greay place to work, my friends who work there keep trying to get me to jump ship but I'm happy living in base and I don't want to go back to first year pay. I'll just ride things out here and see how things go.

[GaTechKid]

I think California is a big reason why a lot of people don't want to fly the 'bro, especially since many 121 guys are coming from the midwest/east coast. Why would they want to commute to Fresno? Who wants to move to Cali and pay $300,000 for a hole in the ground after paying $150,000 in the midwest for a nice 3 bedroom house with a bonus room on a 3/4 acre lot...

[EDUC8-or]

Originally Posted by GaTechKid

I think California is a big reason why a lot of people don't want to fly the 'bro, especially since many 121 guys are coming from the midwest/east coast. Why would they want to commute to Fresno? Who wants to move to Cali and pay $300,000 for a hole in the ground after paying $150,000 in the midwest for a nice 3 bedroom house with a bonus room on a 3/4 acre lot...

My neigbor from FL flies the Bro and he's in Fresno and he said the exact thing. I've never been there, but he said it's a little run down and he just bought a very small house for 295,000 on the outskirts of town. You could get the same thing here for around 100-125 grand and for 300 grand you could get a place on the water down at Lake Wylie SC with a slip for a boat, etc...

Hey GaTech, do you work for Colgan? Do you guys do a runup every morning? I was in ABE and I saw the plane leave and come right back and my CA and I used the little amount of reasoning we had at 5am to think that maybe you did.

[GaTechKid]

That's correct. I'm not sure how the guys at ABE do it, but at BUF we have to be driven to a parking space every morning where we do our run-up. We then reposition to the gate. Cruise would know what goes on at ABE since he's based there.

[EDUC8-or]

Gotcha, thanks!

Ready for the winter in BUF? My wife is from there and it's a little too cold and snowy for us now. I'm from Chi-town and neither one of us can take the cold up there any more. I do love Chippewa and Ancohor Bar!

[jdflight]

Originally Posted by Ophir

I hope to go back to the Bro in a year in the left seat. I love that plane. Of course the Rj is more automated but what is the point? One thing I have that the people that haven't been in the Bro at SKYW is enough confidence and knowledge that I am excited, and willing, to upgrade in the Bro. Seriously, if I could flash forward one year from now I will be upgrading and hundreds of people in front of me on the seniority list will be waiting for a left seat opportunity in the RJ. But why? The reason: they are nervous, er, scared, to upgrade in a turboprop.

When the last two Captain I have flown with were hired by FedEx and Alaska respectively, why would wait for the RJ?

I have the same plan. Good thing we're in different bases!

[Bumblebee]

Originally Posted by jdflight

I have the same plan. Good thing we're in different bases!

Hopefully there is room for all of us!

[mrivc211]

Originally Posted by EDUC8-or

My neigbor from FL flies the Bro and he's in Fresno and he said the exact thing. I've never been there, but he said it's a little run down and he just bought a very small house for 295,000 on the outskirts of town. You could get the same thing here for around 100-125 grand and for 300 grand you could get a place on the water down at Lake Wylie SC with a slip for a boat, etc...

Hey GaTech, do you work for Colgan? Do you guys do a runup every morning? I was in ABE and I saw the plane leave and come right back and my CA and I used the little amount of reasoning we had at 5am to think that maybe you did.

Run-up?

LOL. We had a private pilot a while ago place a call to our cheif because he said the pilots failed to do a mag check.