SkyWest RJ class

[Ophir]

Originally Posted by E_Dawg

This is by far and away the most intense training program I've ever been through. Great information, just a TON of it. Can't wait to get settled in and out of the training enviornment

Yeah, no kidding! I guess I will say hi to you here cause I don't see you in class (all 40 of us).

[N422NM]

OO's ground school senority is based on last 4 digits of SSN correct ?

[Ophir]

Originally Posted by SteveC

G_Dawg = E_Dawg, yes? Hopefully there is a funny story behind the new G_Dawg name?

Chalk it up to ground school sleep depervation; E_Dawg - G_Dawg. I get his name right when I see him in person.



BTW, yesterday was Talk Like A Pirate Day ARRRGGHHH!

[Ophir]

Originally Posted by N422NM

OO's ground school senority is based on last 4 digits of SSN correct ?

Yes! But for some reason I am still behind all the NH in class!

This is true for you intial seniority into class. Typically is doesn't have too much to do with how you bid in the end. But that is because we are hiring so quickly. No one wants to be the plug!

[OldTownPilot]

wow, sucks to be me if I go to SkyWest....my last 4 is 987X

[rausda27]

Originally Posted by Ophir

Yeah, but from what I have heard is that they are in the paint shop and coming out with new N-numbers

I guess that makes it okay then.

[flyingmaniac]

What are the chances of getting hired at SkyWest and flying the Brasilia? I really want to fly for SkyWest but not in a Brasilia. So what are the chances of getting hired and flying the CRJ?

[Lee D]

"I really want to fly for SkyWest but not in a Brasilia"

Heeeyyyy!!! The Brasilia is not all that bad. (Coming from a Captain that flies it ) You'll be flying jets for the rest of your life. A little turbo prop time for a year or so will be good for your health. (I hear it promotes a healthy sperm count.. . . .OK just kidding.)

Seriously though, I heard recently that most new hires will now be going to the EMB. Plenty of guys transitioning to the jet these days. But things change fast.

Congrats on the transition OPHIR. So I finally get back to SLC this October and I still have not flown with a Jetcareer SkyWest pilot. Any SLC based EMB FO's on this board? (Or FAT for that matter.)

[zmiller4]

Originally Posted by flyingmaniac

What are the chances of getting hired at SkyWest and flying the Brasilia? I really want to fly for SkyWest but not in a Brasilia. So what are the chances of getting hired and flying the CRJ?

Why not the Brasilia? I've heard it's a real performer...and going to a turboprop first will make the jet seem easy.
If you get an interview, definately don't tell them that you don't want to fly the Brasilia.

There are plenty of new hires going to the CRJ, but a lot of them are coming from other airlines. My class was like 60% prior 121, with another good chunk having 135 experience. I've heard the Brasilia classes have more CFI's. Which aircraft you get is probably still based on what slots they have open, but I'd bet they're trying to fill up classes based on experience as well.

[flyingmaniac]

Well, when I was in college, I learned the systems and cockpit procedures of a 727. So if the CRJ systems are some-what the same then I think I'll be allright. I even got chance to start up the 727 that FedEx donated to MTSU. It was a great thriller. A lot of instructors coming out of my flight school are leaving and flying CRJ's and ERJ's for the regionals, so I would like the same. The fact of the matter is that I want to live in California because I have family there that I want to get to know. I know SkyWest is big in Cali, so that is one of my options.

[meyers9163]

Options in aviation? Well not sounding negative but I'd say keep your "option" list wide open. Yeah Skywest would be awesome to fly for but just because your buddies are flying the jets does not mean it is right for everyone. I mean if you got on with SKW do you not think that learning a new system and plane such as the EMB might not make you a better overall pilot? Just wondering about that.

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by flyingmaniac

Well, when I was in college, I learned the systems and cockpit procedures of a 727. So if the CRJ systems are some-what the same then I think I'll be allright. I even got chance to start up the 727 that FedEx donated to MTSU. It was a great thriller. A lot of instructors coming out of my flight school are leaving and flying CRJ's and ERJ's for the regionals, so I would like the same. The fact of the matter is that I want to live in California because I have family there that I want to get to know. I know SkyWest is big in Cali, so that is one of my options.

They call this SJS (shiny jet syndrome) even I at times find myself coming down with it. But as JH would say "check it",your ultimate goal isn't to retire from the regionals (or at least it shouldn't be). So if you got on with SKYW on the "BRO" or went 135 freight and upgraded to CA in 1-2 yrs. you'd be making the coveted PIC time and be able move up in the industry quicker then someone who just wanted to fly a jet. Having the choice to move up to the airlines or FDX,UPS is golden compared to the guy flying a jet as a F/O who is looking at 5-8 yr. upgrade!

[meyers9163]

I would have to agree with that! I dont think he has plans of staying anywhere to fly and Jet however I just wanted to point out to whoever that a Jet much like you said should not be their first concern. So you stated that well I think!

[GaTechKid]

Originally Posted by EDUC8-or

In the same tone...

Maybe once you hit the line you can share what it's like to fly a 90 seat jet for 50 seat pay.

I know that's a cheap shot and it's not meant to be personal, I have good friends at SKYW who got me all fired up on the subject.

C'mon EDUC8! Aren't you in your 2nd year at PSA now? Don't you guys make $8 less per hour on the -200, $5 less per hour on the -700, and 3 hours less each month on reserve?

[Bumblebee]

I fly the Bro and I will be in FAT starting in October. I was originally scheduled to be in the jet, but they asked me if I would move to the Bro on the first day of indoc. It took a while for my dissapointment to fade, but I wanted to work for SkyWest, and they have jets AND Brasilias! Now I couldn't be happier. The Bro is a fun airplane to fly, and I'm based near enough to where I live, in California. I have not had to do any reserve, and was able to bid a line that I wanted on my fiirst time. Our upgrade times are just a little over a year, and that's mostly because they want 1000 in a 121 (or at least in a crew) environment. At this company, don't worry so much about what you fly, just be glad you're flying. There is a saying floating around in the training department (maybe just to make the Bro FO's feel better) but they say that the Brasilia is the last real airplane that you'll ever fly. I think that is because there is almost no automation, all of the systems are operated by hand, and it is a rudder hog!

Just get on and get your seniority number, the rest will fall into place.

[wheelsup]

Originally Posted by GaTechKid

C'mon EDUC8! Aren't you in your 2nd year at PSA now? Don't you guys make $8 less per hour on the -200, $5 less per hour on the -700, and 3 hours less each month on reserve?

I was going to mention the same thing. Interpolating payscales,

PSA
50 seater: $27/hr
70 seater: $30/hr
90 seater: $33/hr

Skywest
50 seater: $35/hr
70 seater: $35/hr
90 "seater", although it's configured for 76: $35/hr

Looks like Skywest guys still come out ahead. Factor in the 2.5 year CRJ upgrade, and they come out waaay ahead.

We're fighting over peanuts here.

[Lee D]

Flyingmaniac

The Brasilia flying in Cali is quite expansive with a lot of bases to chose from. I'm not saying that you want to stay on the EMB forever, but it is not a big deal to start there and fly it for a year. Especially if you want to live in CA. Most of our new EMB guys will have much better schedules than the new RJ guys & the pay is essentially the same. If you were to get the jet from the beginning that is certianly OK too. Both aircraft have numerous bases in CA.

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by wheelsup

I was going to mention the same thing. Interpolating payscales,

PSA
50 seater: $27/hr
70 seater: $30/hr
90 seater: $33/hr

Skywest
50 seater: $35/hr
70 seater: $35/hr
90 "seater", although it's configured for 76: $35/hr

Looks like Skywest guys still come out ahead. Factor in the 2.5 year CRJ upgrade, and they come out waaay ahead.

We're fighting over peanuts here.

Small things add up!

[wheelsup]

Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

Small things add up!

Doug Parker, CEO of the "new" US Air, was recently quoted saying the following to the pilot group:

Originally Posted by Doug Parker, US Air CEO

"The days of flying larger airplanes for more money are over."

Unfortunately, I think the single-seat rates at skywest are an indicator of things to come. That being said, I'm not OPPOSED to a single rate, as long as that "single" rate is high (ie what UPS does).

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by wheelsup

Doug Parker, CEO of the "new" US Air, was recently quoted saying the following to the pilot group:



Unfortunately, I think the single-seat rates at skywest are an indicator of things to come. That being said, I'm not OPPOSED to a single rate, as long as that "single" rate is high (ie what UPS does).

Pipe dream but he'd be wrong if pilots stuck together and refused to fly for lower rates. He'd change his mind quick.

I can't wait until someone (with power/authority) says "the days of CEO's making bonuses off the backs of labor for taking concessions are over!" Lets see how he'd handle that...

[BobDDuck]

I don't know where you are getting that $33 an hour from. PSA doesn't have a 90 seat rate and hence we aren't getting -900s. And don't get me started on Parker talking about flying different sized aircraft for the same rate two weeks after he justified raises for most of the upper managment by saying that they are now in charge of a bigger company.

[wheelsup]

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

I don't know where you are getting that $33 an hour from. PSA doesn't have a 90 seat rate and hence we aren't getting -900s. And don't get me started on Parker talking about flying different sized aircraft for the same rate two weeks after he justified raises for most of the upper managment by saying that they are now in charge of a bigger company.

I interpolated from your current rates

IE:
50 seater rate, $27/hr
70 seater rate, $30/hr
90 seater rate, $33/hr

It was just a guess, that's all But it goes to show you that skywests' rates aren't low so to speak, in relation to the rest of the regional payrates, even for a quote/unquote 90 seater.

[launchpad]

Originally Posted by flyingmaniac

Well, when I was in college, I learned the systems and cockpit procedures of a 727. So if the CRJ systems are some-what the same then I think I'll be allright. I even got chance to start up the 727 that FedEx donated to MTSU. It was a great thriller. A lot of instructors coming out of my flight school are leaving and flying CRJ's and ERJ's for the regionals, so I would like the same. The fact of the matter is that I want to live in California because I have family there that I want to get to know. I know SkyWest is big in Cali, so that is one of my options.

The brasilia systems are closer to a 727 than a CRJ...in the end it doesn't matter...each airplane is different...what you'll find is the general knowledge you learned in those courses will help you out immensly in ground school.

You're probably not going to be able to live in Cali flying the jet right off the bat, so I'd say fly the brasilia, live in cali.....it'll make you a real pilot.......that and.....


Chicks Dig Beta

[Cheechako]

Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

Small things add up!

Is this the small stuff you're referring to?

Here's what I'll be getting paid:

737-700 (124 seats): $35.16 first year, $61.67 second year
737-400 (144 seats): $35.16 first year, $61.67 second year
737-800 (157 seats): $35.16 first year, $61.67 second year
737-900 (172 seats): $35.16 first year, $61.67 second year

Nobody seems to care that the majors do the same thing with payrates and same-type airplanes.

Oh yeah, that's right, it's a blended rate. . . whatever the heck that means. . .

[JayAre]

All this talk is making rethink about applying to skyw again.

Don't want to hijack the thread but,
SkyWChris congrats on your new job. I still remember when you were role playing the newhire FO in the CRM part of my interview two years ago. I wanted to smack you for not doing something but I kept my cool.