Who knows about...

[CARL0S]

...pilots getting hired to fly at airlines (or corporate, or charters as far as that goes) with only 250TT, and skiping the CFI deal?

I know it is possible and usual outside the US.
What are your inputs about this?
Who would say no to an offer like this and why?

[averyrm]

I think it's a bad idea. When I had 250 hours, I would have thought it was a great idea.

I know better now.

Here comes 15 pages, hope you have your reading glasses.

[LoadMasterC141]

Trolling Trolling Trolling

[CARL0S]

Why bad idea?

In the ol' days (as my college professor say :P) people got hire to fly big jets just after they became commercial pilots. Many of them never got their CFI.
So, pilots of this generations are better than the old folks?
Would you tell a low time pilotto deny the offer of an airline job and go back and work as a CFI first?
I'm not trying to argue your point , I'd just want to get it clarified!

[LoadMasterC141]

You need to go back through previous posts and see why this is going to be a sour subject.

First of all, no airline will hire you with 250TT. You can, however, do what is called "Pay-For-Job"(PFJ) training. Certain schools like Gulfstream will put you ona direct track program where you will be "hired" by a low-ball regional with low time. However, you are essentially paying for that job. It is HIGHLY frowned upon here because by joining one of those programs you are lowering the bar.

As far as corporate and fractionals...good luck. The company may want to hire you, but their insurance company won't. The company I work for now operates two Lear 35's and the mins are higher than those of a regional airline because of insurance.

And what old days are you talking about? Until recent decades, the majority of airline pilots were ex-military pilots. When did they just get training and hop in a big Boeing?

Finally, have you flown much? Do you really think you will be ready to fly a large jet with just 250 hours total time? I can say with confidence I would'nt be.

[SteveC]

Originally Posted by CARL0S

In the ol' days (as my college professor say :P) people got hire to fly big jets just after they became commercial pilots.

I'd be kind of curious to hear when this was.



(ending with a preposition just because I can )

[deserteaglle]

Do you really think you will be ready to fly a large jet with just 250 hours total time?

OH PUHLEEEEZZZ!!!! How much different can a jet be from a 172rg????

[DE727UPS]

"I know it is possible and usual outside the US"

So go get a job outside the US at 250 hours and let us know how it works out.

"What are your inputs about this?"

It's a bad idea, 250 hour pilots don't belong in an airline cockpit. They do it some places and you can buy you way into it in the US, if you like. You're still putting a guy in the seat that shouldn't be there, in my opinion.

As far the the early 60's argument. First of all, most guys went to the F/E seat, which was a good place to learn the ropes. Second, they didn't have simulators so they trained in real live empty airplanes. If you were good enough, you proved it in real life. Third, training was much more intense and difficult. It mirrored military training. The military can get away with 250 guys flying off carriers because their training and selection process is vastly superior to a present day flight academy. They spare no expense to produce a quality product. You think Riddle does that?

[bwade210]

Oh no......I know what lies in store for this post!

[CARL0S]

Originally Posted by deserteaglle

OH PUHLEEEEZZZ!!!! How much different can a jet be from a 172rg????

It is certainly not the same. But do you think having 1000hr 172 will just magically make the jet feel just like the 172?

So go get a job outside the US at 250 hours and let us know how it works out.

What are you referring to exactly?

[CARL0S]

OH and BTW. I'd read enough posts about PFJ's in this forum so I know what people think about them. We can keep it out of this thread if is ok with you.

[meritflyer]

This thread is so over due! Its been well over a month or so since this discussion.

[surreal1221]

I need to find an aviation forum where I can troll. . . it must be so much fun.

Bottom line is, there are NO 250TT jet jobs out there, perhaps turboprop PFJ. . . but that doesn't count, we have already acknowledged that.

[deserteaglle]

Originally Posted by CARL0S

OH and BTW. I'd read enough posts about PFJ's in this forum so I know what people think about them. We can keep it out of this thread if is ok with you.

Why would you post this thread then? Blatant troll.

[CARL0S]

there are pilots hired with very low time without paying for job training. It might be a small number, but that was what I wanted to discuss.

[Stone Cold]

Originally Posted by CARL0S

there are pilots hired with very low time without paying for job training. It might be a small number, but that was what I wanted to discuss.

Unless you get extremely lucky and find somebody willing to help out a low-timer, which is extremely rare, then don't plan on it. You'd better have some mad networking skills to get the job you're talking about, and even then it's mostly a pipe dream. The only other way is to PFJ, and since you don't want that brought up, plan on CFI'ing, throwing meat missiles, banner towing, or some other job you might be able to hold.

It's very simple, there are no shortcuts in this industry, without opening the old checkbook. PERIOD.

Why does everybody want the extreme shortcut??? What is it about this generation??? Go work for a little while and build up experience WHILE GETTING PAID to do it. Seriously, is 6 months to a year really that long???

[CARL0S]

OK, I understand and agree 100percent!!!!!

anybodyelse would like to add?

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by CARL0S

there are pilots hired with very low time without paying for job training. It might be a small number, but that was what I wanted to discuss.

Flying 121 and 135? With only 250 hours? Not PFJ?

Provide some linkage to confirm your statement, otherwise it's just hog wash.

[CARL0S]

flying 91 maybe?

[meritflyer]

Originally Posted by CARL0S

OK, I understand and agree 100percent!!!!!

anybodyelse would like to add?

Yeah.. anybodyelseisnotreallyawordandyoushouldstartspacin gyourwordscorrectly100%ofthetime.

[Stone Cold]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

Flying 121 and 135? With only 250 hours? Not PFJ?

Provide some linkage to confirm your statement, otherwise it's just hog wash.

His original post also counted corporate and charter, but for airlines, only other countries will do this, since the govt foots the bill over there. I've only heard of it, and never seen how it works, but I do know there's a job posting for a Caravan pilot in China that pays $96K per year + $2K per month housing allowance, so it's not far fetched. My wife and I seriously considered it for a little while, but it's not in the cards for us at this time.

[Champcar]

I talked to a pilot from Singapore and he was sitting right seat at 275 hours and the government paid for all of his training. Works for me.

[CARL0S]

Originally Posted by meritflyer

Yeah.. anybodyelseisnotreallyawordandyoushouldstartspacin gyourwordscorrectly100%ofthetime.

Yes sir!
but, Is it really that important, or you are just trying to be a hardass?

[meritflyer]

Areyoujusttrollingtogetariseoutofeveryoneorareyoua potentialGulfstreamer?

[CARL0S]

neither,
What's trolling?