Sheble Aviation for 10 day IFR? Anyone have info?

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Hey folks,

Does anyone have any info, and especially personal experiences, with Sheble Aviation ?


I'm intersted in their 10 day accelerated instrument rating program.

I did run a search on this topic, I did, but most of that information was dated quite a bit.


Anyone with fresh info on them? I know they're now solely Kingman for their IFR training, and no longer Henderson.


I understand it is extremely fast paced, and that you must come in with the written test passed. Also, I understand studying the oral exam guide from ASA books would be helpful before starting training.


Anyway, shoot away folks!


Thanks !

[taildragger173]

I know two people that have gone down there for some training. Both have said good things. One went there for his ATP and the other went there to finish his multi. Both passed their checkrides on the first time around. I dont know much about their instrument program, but both my friends have said positive things about working with them.

[deserteaglle]

I si tone of those where everything is in house, and the owner's brother is the DE, and half of it is in a sim?

Some of the accelerated programs I've seen seem scary.

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Originally Posted by taildragger173

I know two people that have gone down there for some training. Both have said good things. One went there for his ATP and the other went there to finish his multi. Both passed their checkrides on the first time around. I dont know much about their instrument program, but both my friends have said positive things about working with them.

What I take so far is that there is no actual time logged due to the location there and the weather nowadays over there.

So you pass the checkride, sure. But I read somewhere that if you do come out of Sheble with the instrument, dont go all by yourself into clouds just yet. Fly with an instructor and get some actual IFR time. Like, even though you pass your checkride, you shouldn't stop learning... that kinda thing.

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Originally Posted by deserteaglle

I si tone of those where everything is in house, and the owner's brother is the DE, and half of it is in a sim?

Some of the accelerated programs I've seen seem scary.

Yes, half is in the sim. 20 hours sim, 20 hours C172.


Everything is in house.


The owners are the DE... both Mr. and Mrs. Sheble are DEs
(at least according to their website).

[deserteaglle]

Originally Posted by Cherokee_Cruiser

Yes, half is in the sim. 20 hours sim, 20 hours C172.


Everything is in house.


The owners are the DE... both Mr. and Mrs. Sheble are DEs
(at least according to their website).

Uh yeeaaahhhh, I wouldn't go into IMC fresh out of their program.

[N422NM]

Originally Posted by Cherokee_Cruiser

What I take so far is that there is no actual time logged due to the location there and the weather nowadays over there.

Welcome to instrument training west of oh...Ohio for the most part.

Most people feel more comfy with a CFII or a really good instrument pilot in the right seat for the first few real hours of actual after their ride out here because it's so CAVU during training....nothign wrong with that...

[meritflyer]

I personally dont believe in a 10 day IR program. I feel its a very crucial rating - maybe the most important. I'd take my time and learn the material instead of a quickie.

But thats just me.

[JaceTheAce]

Instrument training is something that needs to be taken at a slower pace. IE, one month minimum. It takes most people several weeks to grasp the concepts of instrument flying... all that foreign information has to settle in.

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

It takes most people several weeks to grasp the concepts of instrument flying... all that foreign information has to settle in.

Agree.

[caliginousface]

A guy over here went to Sheble for his inst. ticket, he went on to say he wish he didn't do it because it went so quickly it was tough to absorb all the info.

That and I was scared when I flew to IGM because of all the Sheble's all over the place.

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Thanks for the responses so far!


As for whether or not it's too quick, I dunno.

This is from Rod Machado's website:


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In general, it usually takes two to four months to earn the instrument rating. Of course, it's also possible to earn in it less than two weeks. You'll probably hear of several companies that provide accelerated instrument training. They advertise the possibility of completing the training in two weeks or less. Do these programs work? Yes they do. Perhaps the most important reason they do is that they have a reputation of providing excellent flight instructors.

Most of the instructors doing accelerated-type training are highly experience and competent teachers. This alone can make accelerated training worthwhile. Second, because this is a rating that is based on flying in reduced visibility, weather isn't as much of a limiting factor as it was for the private pilot certificate. In fact, instrument training often works better when the weather is poor. At least you can get actual experience flying in the clouds. Third, these accelerated-type instructors come to your hometown to teach you. Yes, it's a little more expensive, but if you want to get that rating, then please consider one of these companies.

Check out: Professional Instrument Courses and Single Pilot IFR (SPIFR) Accelerated Instrument Flight Training

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I dunno. Seems like if you're really dedicated, you can learn a lot and get it done in 2 weeks or less.

Of course, that's no license to fly all by yourself in the clouds right away! You should still go with an instructor and practice flights in actual IFR conditions.

[desertdog71]

Originally Posted by Cherokee_Cruiser

Of course, that's no license to fly all by yourself in the clouds right away!

Well.....That is EXACTLY what it is actually.

The fact that they want you to have your written completed prior to training makes it easier to a point. Procedure, Scan and Workload management are the most important parts of learning IR in my opinion. Make sure they focus on those areas and you should be fine.

[av8sean]

I did my comm at shebles.... They got the job done, but the quality of instructors are low, the examiner I had was a total weirdo - He looked exactly like Cletus from the Simpsons!

The scary part is, after I passed my checkride the examiner had me fly the plane back to Henderson with another guy he just passed (another comm pilot).. He told me to make sure I flew the plane because he didn't trust that guys flying. And he just wrote him a commerical certificate! (after flunking him the day before)..

Don't do your Instrument there... but commercial, sure.

[DE727UPS]

I think I could do train a IFR rating in 10 days. Got a sim and a 152 with a Garmin 430. You would have to have your written passed and the ASA IFR oral exam guide memorized.

It would be a license to learn. My last IFR student, a couple years ago, did an ILS to mins coming home from the checkride. He had a little actual during training but not THAT much. I kinda gulped when he called me but he was an excellent pilot for his level of experience.

Doing it in ten days demands a total commitment from you, your CFII, and the airplane. But it can be done.

[slushie]

[not reading other posts first].
Sheble's has a reputation (I've heard from internet people and pilots in the region) for being kinda shady. And the moment I heard ONE shady MX story, I had decided to look elsewhere.

[wildfreightess]

I did my CFII at Shelbe, which was a 2 day course. I had a positive experience, and learned a lot. I didn't get a shady feeling from the place, and my instructor and examiner were both very knowledgable. However, I knew beforehand that it was one of those places where you essentially buy your rating, and train for the checkride. If you want a guaranteed rating, go there. However, when you come back, you may want to get your feet wet so to speak with an experienced IFR pilot or CFII before venturing out on your own.

Oh, and if you do go there, tell Eddie that I think he's hot!

[DE727UPS]

I had a friend get his CFI there a couple years ago. It was an intense two weeks. He had no problems with the outfit.

I think if you went down there expecting an FSA type of operation and equipment, you'd post here saying run away from the place. If you're comfortable with small time FBO's or owned your own airplane, I think you'd have no problem with them.